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Why is it assumed Texas can pull a big name?
Posted on 12/15/13 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 12/15/13 at 5:19 pm
While money is a big factor and can make big name coaches jump to a new job, what else shows that they are capable of stealing a big name from a major program?
Texas Coaching Hires
Mack Brown - Hired in 1997
-Coached 10 seasons at North Carolina where he averaged 6.9 wins per season
-Finished strong with two 10 win seasons in 1996 and 1997
-Never won a conference championship
-6-5 at Appalachian State
-11-23 at Tulane
John Mackovic - Hired in 1992
-Coached 4 seasons at Illinois where he averaged 7.5 wins per season
-10-2 in 1989 finishing with a #10 ranking in AP & Coaches
-Tied for 1st in Big 10 in 1990 with 6-2 conference record
-14-20 at Wake Forest
David McWilliams - Hired in 1987
-Hired after only coaching one season at Texas Tech, going 7-4
Fred Akers - Hired in 1977
-Hired after two seasons at Wyoming, going a combined 10-13
Darrell Royal - Hired in 1957
-Two seasons at Mississippi State where he went 6-4 both seasons
-Then he coached one season at Washington going 5-5
-Turned out to be one of the all-time greats, but was not a big name coach when going to Texas
Will Steve Patterson be able to make a big splash hire? Will he lure away a Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, Les Miles, or an NFL coach? Or will Texas settle for another underwhelming hire?
ETA: I'm only 24 and looked up these records and stats from Wikipedia. Anyone who can remember when these hires were made would provide interesting insight. Especially Texas fans.
Texas Coaching Hires
Mack Brown - Hired in 1997
-Coached 10 seasons at North Carolina where he averaged 6.9 wins per season
-Finished strong with two 10 win seasons in 1996 and 1997
-Never won a conference championship
-6-5 at Appalachian State
-11-23 at Tulane
John Mackovic - Hired in 1992
-Coached 4 seasons at Illinois where he averaged 7.5 wins per season
-10-2 in 1989 finishing with a #10 ranking in AP & Coaches
-Tied for 1st in Big 10 in 1990 with 6-2 conference record
-14-20 at Wake Forest
David McWilliams - Hired in 1987
-Hired after only coaching one season at Texas Tech, going 7-4
Fred Akers - Hired in 1977
-Hired after two seasons at Wyoming, going a combined 10-13
Darrell Royal - Hired in 1957
-Two seasons at Mississippi State where he went 6-4 both seasons
-Then he coached one season at Washington going 5-5
-Turned out to be one of the all-time greats, but was not a big name coach when going to Texas
Will Steve Patterson be able to make a big splash hire? Will he lure away a Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, Les Miles, or an NFL coach? Or will Texas settle for another underwhelming hire?
ETA: I'm only 24 and looked up these records and stats from Wikipedia. Anyone who can remember when these hires were made would provide interesting insight. Especially Texas fans.
This post was edited on 12/15/13 at 5:21 pm
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Posted on 12/15/13 at 5:25 pm to bamafan425
Oil money.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 5:25 pm to bamafan425
Money, recruiting territory, brand name, top of their conference, etc.
But the boosters are running things behind the curtain so that definitely detracts from all the positives.
But the boosters are running things behind the curtain so that definitely detracts from all the positives.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 5:27 pm to cyde
First sentence. Oil money has been around for a LONG time now, yet they haven't made a splash hire in the past half century.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 5:27 pm to bamafan425
Because they're wealthy, huge, and have a big brand name. But so does USC, and look who they hired. We'll see if they get one of their absurd names (Harbaugh, Tomlin, etc).
Posted on 12/15/13 at 5:27 pm to bamafan425
I don't understand why people perpetuate this myth, either. I have immediate family that work in Austin; it's only a great place if your a twenty something or a thirty something. Not any different than anywhere alse in the country for a college football coach without an ounce of free time to enjoy anything. Add to that, a bunch of arse clowns hell bent on buffoonary and bragging about "vatican money" and I can easily see why they have never hired a better coach than they have. People with real wealth and true power don't have to have press conferences to remind people of it.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 5:29 pm to Gradual_Stroke
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Because they're wealthy, huge, and have a big brand name.
And they've been that way for awhile now. But that hasn't helped in the past.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 5:30 pm to artompkins
You're right, but people are stupid. They see the brand name and assume "Terxis is gurd hurr durr" without looking at the situation more closely.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 5:31 pm to artompkins
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I don't understand why people perpetuate this myth, either. I have immediate family that work in Austin; it's only a great place if your a twenty something or a thirty something.
truth, the suburbs are filled with old ppl though..
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Not any different than anywhere alse in the country for a college football coach without an ounce of free time to enjoy anything.
true
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Add to that, a bunch of arse clowns hell bent on buffoonary and bragging about "vatican money" and I can easily see why they have never hired a better coach than they have
agreed, that red guy who said that is also friends with mack.. go figure
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People with real wealth and true power don't have to have press conferences to remind people of it.
yup
now my rebuttal - patterson is different than deloss.. lets just see what he does.. its different situation now than they had under deloss
Posted on 12/15/13 at 5:31 pm to bamafan425
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Oil money has been around for a LONG time now, yet they haven't made a splash hire in the past half century.
But... all the money which isn't up at the Vatican is at Texas. Everyone knows that.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 5:31 pm to bamafan425
I think they have put themselves in a bind. I don't see big name coaches lining up. Texas arrogance has put them in this position. They will end up settling for someone that will surprise everyone.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 5:32 pm to Gradual_Stroke
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You're right, but people are stupid. They see the brand name and assume "Terxis is gurd hurr durr" without looking at the situation more closely.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 5:34 pm to bamafan425
In fairness, the world of college football has changed a lot. And it's really changed for some of these top earning schools.
The last time Texas was in the market for a head football coach, the thought that the "going rate" would match the incomes of the elite NFL coaches would have been ridiculous.
The fact of the matter is that Texas does have a ton of money, the facilities are excellent and the recruiting possibilities are enticing. In a small irony, a lot of credit goes to the boosters that are now making the job less appealing by their presence.
The last time Texas was in the market for a head football coach, the thought that the "going rate" would match the incomes of the elite NFL coaches would have been ridiculous.
The fact of the matter is that Texas does have a ton of money, the facilities are excellent and the recruiting possibilities are enticing. In a small irony, a lot of credit goes to the boosters that are now making the job less appealing by their presence.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 5:35 pm to Gradual_Stroke
See also: Notre Dame, Michigan, and other programs who were once in a better position to rebuild than they are now.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 5:35 pm to Gradual_Stroke
The more Texas fails, the more special this holiday season becomes.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 5:36 pm to Walking the Earth
I agree. Definitely a different landscape from when they last hired a coach. I feel a lot of coaches no longer have the NFL in mind as their end game. But I thought it was an interesting perspective that hadn't really been discussed yet.
Big name coaches will see the money and like it, but then they will see where the money comes from and not like it.
I think it's a very interesting dynamic and will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Big name coaches will see the money and like it, but then they will see where the money comes from and not like it.
I think it's a very interesting dynamic and will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 5:37 pm to Walking the Earth
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the facilities are excellent
I like how that is assumed. Their facilities are badly in need of renovation.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 5:38 pm to bamafan425
I think they almost have t o consider Petrino. How about Tressel? When is his 5 years up?
Posted on 12/15/13 at 5:38 pm to Walking the Earth
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In fairness, the world of college football has changed a lot. And it's really changed for some of these top earning schools.
And since it's been so long since they last made a hire, they've apparently forgotten how to not completely frick up while doing it as well.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 5:39 pm to bamafan425
What about a list of big "splash" hires in college football in the last 20 years? How many big name coaches have left their current job to go to another program?
I just don't think it's as simple as having money.
I just don't think it's as simple as having money.
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