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quail man
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Your thoughts on the RFA rules in the league


I'd love to hear from some people who know far more about contract stuff than myself but I'm going to spitball here and see where I get.

I feel like the Pelicans have been royally fricked by the RFA rules the past two years on both sides. First the Gordon shite then the forced trade of GV and Lopez (partially for cap room but also not) to get Reke. I get that RFA was somewhat there to help the small market teams (?) but I feel like it kinda handicaps them too. Should they just extend rookie contracts an extra year and allow complete free agency after?







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JohnnyKilroy
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Should they just extend rookie contracts an extra year and allow complete free agency after?
Yes.

This is speaking from a philosophical pov, not necessarily as a pels fan.






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TigerinATL
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Should they just extend rookie contracts an extra year and allow complete free agency after?




It kind of sucks because it's a compromise. I don't think you'd get the owners to ever agree to go from 7-9 years of controlling an asset down to 6. There has actually been quite a bit of restraint with RFAs since the new CBA. It was a big change to have Ty Lawson, Steph Curry, and Jrue Holiday all agree to reasonable extensions rather than go the normal route of hoping there's one a-hole out there to give you more. I think part of the problem with Gordon was his reputation always exceeded his ability. Despite his versatile skill set he's still a role player and role players shouldn't get max salaries.






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quail man
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The thing about it is that any team can force the "home team's" hand. So the rockets could have offered max and said "you either pay him that or play against him 5 times a year." I feel like teams who offer a ridiculous amount of money should have to give up some collateral. I wonder how that would work.





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corndeaux
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I like them. Gives the teams security (matching, early extensions) and flexibility (Sign/Trade options, QO, etc). Sucks for the players though.

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First the Gordon shite


Only takes one a-hole and unfortunately Phoenix was run by huge a-holes at that time. No one else was giving Gordon a max. However the league is getting smarter. New CBA has everyone (outside of Brooklyn) spooked- Pekovic got nothing, Jennings and Teague got nothing.

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forced trade of GV and Lopez (partially for cap room but also not) to get Reke.


I don't mind that. GV and Rolo were assets moved at their highest value. I can see the point that they overpaid Evans and/or that they should have gotten a 3 or a 5 from moving them. But i don't have a major problem with that deal.

Don't forget, they were able to get Anderson on a great deal as a RFA by trading Ayon.






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TigerinATL
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So the rockets could have offered max and said "you either pay him that or play against him 5 times a year."


That's why they tie up your cap space for 3 days when you make an offer. Phoenix didn't offer Gordon to spite us, they did it because they thought he was a cornerstone. Phoenix wiffed on Gordon, then wiffed on Mayo. Trying and missing can really hurt you. I think the tying up your cap space is a pretty significant deterrent and probably part of why no one made a run at Pekovic this year. If there was no cost to making an offer then you'd see teams trying to screw each other or making non serious offers, but pretty much every RFA offer is legit even if it's over priced.



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PKTiger
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I feel like teams who offer a ridiculous amount of money should have to give up some collateral. I wonder how that would work.

The NFL makes teams send back draft picks for RFA, that could work. Or, the NBA could add a compensatory round at the end of the first round, saying that if you lose one of your players over a certain salary amount, you get that extra pick.






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SlowFlowPro
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That's why they tie up your cap space for 3 days when you make an offer.

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If there was no cost to making an offer then you'd see teams trying to screw each other or making non serious offers

if you want to see the ultimate "oops" in this regard, look at the raps trying to make the knicks overpay for landry fields...then getting stuck with him at like $8M a year or some insane shite






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TigerinATL
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Yeah, trying and making can screw you too. Larry Bird said he had a mandate from the Pacers owner to not go after RFAs because you by definition had to overpay to get them.





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Unknown_Poster
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In the long run the rule is far more beneficial to teams like the Pelicans than it is a hinderance. Think a couple of years from now when Anthony Davis' rookie deal ends.





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