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AFA's role when AD returns?
Posted on 12/14/13 at 9:13 am
Posted on 12/14/13 at 9:13 am
AFA has been very good IMO basically filling AD's role with this team. The question is what to do with him when AD comes back.
Seems to me Monty should consider tying his mins to Ryno's mins. When Ryno is on the floor it allows AFA to play a more secondary offensive role and do what he does best (offensive RBs, put backs, finish at the rim) but also allows him to guard the big scoring 3s like Lebron, Durant, etc.
When Ryno is out of the game and 2 other bigs are in (smith, AD, etc..) the floor doesnt stay spread for EG, Reke, Jrue who's big strength in getting into the lane.
I really like the idea of starting Ryno and AFA with EG, Davis, and Jrue and allow Smith to come off the bench to spell any one of AFA, Ryno, or AD.
Seems to me Monty should consider tying his mins to Ryno's mins. When Ryno is on the floor it allows AFA to play a more secondary offensive role and do what he does best (offensive RBs, put backs, finish at the rim) but also allows him to guard the big scoring 3s like Lebron, Durant, etc.
When Ryno is out of the game and 2 other bigs are in (smith, AD, etc..) the floor doesnt stay spread for EG, Reke, Jrue who's big strength in getting into the lane.
I really like the idea of starting Ryno and AFA with EG, Davis, and Jrue and allow Smith to come off the bench to spell any one of AFA, Ryno, or AD.
This post was edited on 12/14/13 at 9:20 am
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Posted on 12/14/13 at 9:16 am to STEVED00
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Seems to me Monty should consider tying his mins to Ryno's mins. When Ryno is on the floor it allows AFA to play a more secondary offensive role and do what he does best (offensive RBs, put backs, finish at the rim) but also allows him to guard the big scoring 3s like Lebron, Durant, etc.
That sounds like a good plan, but that'd mainly make them both back-ups. It's imperative to start playing Anderson and Davis together some kind of way though. Anderson is too valuable to be a back-up or situational type of guy. So the question becomes, can Davis and Aminu play together?
This post was edited on 12/14/13 at 9:21 am
Posted on 12/14/13 at 9:24 am to brmark70816
Yes as long as Ryno is in the game or against smaller lineups as long as AFA is playing the 4 IMO. See my edit above.
When AD returns, i think AFA can give us a solid 20-25 mins in this type of role all the while allowing lane to remain open for EG and Reke to penetrate
When AD returns, i think AFA can give us a solid 20-25 mins in this type of role all the while allowing lane to remain open for EG and Reke to penetrate
This post was edited on 12/14/13 at 9:27 am
Posted on 12/14/13 at 9:31 am to STEVED00
Ryno at 5 ans AFA at 4 worked against los bulls
Posted on 12/14/13 at 9:31 am to STEVED00
I like it. I just don't know if Davis can handle the punishment at Center. But I'm down with an Aminu/Anderson/Davis frontcourt. Or at least giving it a try for awhile.
Posted on 12/14/13 at 9:51 am to brmark70816
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I just don't know if Davis can handle the punishment at Center
Well can Smith really handle the punishment any better than AD. We don't have a "true" center on this team and we haven't had one since Kaman or really Gray.
You also have to remember that their bigs will have to guard our bigs so the mismatch will go both ways. Also lets be honest the plan all along was going to be a "small" finishing group with Reke playing the 3 and Ryno and AD at the 4 and 5.
Posted on 12/14/13 at 9:53 am to MrBlue105
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Ryno at 5 ans AFA at 4 worked against los bulls
Who havw two good sized/strong bigs in Noah and Boozer. If I remember correctly, Boozer essentially was a non-factor in that game so it does kind of show that AFA at the 4 isn't as big of a mismatch problem on Def as once thought. It basically forced the Bulls to go small.
Posted on 12/14/13 at 10:00 am to STEVED00
Sorry for the LONG post. Really interesting question to me and I got on a roll.
One thing we saw before Davis went down was Monty getting Holiday/Evans/Gordon/Anderson/Davis on the court in every quarter. This is smart and the best way to go. I don't think it matters if Aminu starts, but he needs minutes as a 4. Against most benches, there is no behemoth post player- it can work. Plus the Anderson/Aminu lineup has been pretty good the last two years. (I'll post lineup data below)
Ideally I think Holiday/Gordon/Aminu/Davis/Smiht is good as starters. Sub out Smiht and Aminu with Anderson and Evans at the 6 minute TO. Let those guys play. Bring in Morrow before the quarter ends for Gordon. Start the 2nd with Aminu in for Davis and Rivers/Roberts for Holiday.
Bench unit of Rivers(Roberts)/Morrow/Evans/Aminu/Anderson is intriguing to me. That unit appears to have a nice mix of talents as a bench unit. You can still come back with Smiht or even Amundson/Steimsma if you need a big body.
I like keeping Evans/Anderson on the bench because it is an easy way to boost a pitiful bench. They are the anchors to what is a disastrous collection of talents otherwise. And we've seen that they can get ~20 mpg or more with their Final 5 (Frack Me!) assembled if they want.
Thoughts?
Here is Aminu lineup data with Anderson, Davis, and Evans. Ignore Amundson.
And 3 Man lineups with Aminu/Anderson/Evans and Aminu/Anderson/Davis. Obviously SMALL SAMPLE SIZE, but is promising.
Just for kicks, here is last year's lineup data with Aminu/Davis, Aminu/Anderson, and then all three.
One thing we saw before Davis went down was Monty getting Holiday/Evans/Gordon/Anderson/Davis on the court in every quarter. This is smart and the best way to go. I don't think it matters if Aminu starts, but he needs minutes as a 4. Against most benches, there is no behemoth post player- it can work. Plus the Anderson/Aminu lineup has been pretty good the last two years. (I'll post lineup data below)
Ideally I think Holiday/Gordon/Aminu/Davis/Smiht is good as starters. Sub out Smiht and Aminu with Anderson and Evans at the 6 minute TO. Let those guys play. Bring in Morrow before the quarter ends for Gordon. Start the 2nd with Aminu in for Davis and Rivers/Roberts for Holiday.
Bench unit of Rivers(Roberts)/Morrow/Evans/Aminu/Anderson is intriguing to me. That unit appears to have a nice mix of talents as a bench unit. You can still come back with Smiht or even Amundson/Steimsma if you need a big body.
I like keeping Evans/Anderson on the bench because it is an easy way to boost a pitiful bench. They are the anchors to what is a disastrous collection of talents otherwise. And we've seen that they can get ~20 mpg or more with their Final 5 (Frack Me!) assembled if they want.
Thoughts?
Here is Aminu lineup data with Anderson, Davis, and Evans. Ignore Amundson.
And 3 Man lineups with Aminu/Anderson/Evans and Aminu/Anderson/Davis. Obviously SMALL SAMPLE SIZE, but is promising.
Just for kicks, here is last year's lineup data with Aminu/Davis, Aminu/Anderson, and then all three.
Posted on 12/14/13 at 10:02 am to STEVED00
AFA was on Deng, not Boozer, until the end of the game when Evans came back in.
Boozer rode the bench because he can't guard Anderson. Thibs had to go with Gibson/Noah on him.
Boozer rode the bench because he can't guard Anderson. Thibs had to go with Gibson/Noah on him.
Posted on 12/14/13 at 10:29 am to corndeaux
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Ideally I think Holiday/Gordon/Aminu/Davis/Smiht is good as starters
Problem is that this is a really bad offensive unit to start the game especially bc of spacing. Morrow starting would be a better option if you want to keep Reke and Ryno coming off the bench. Morrow opens up the lane bc teams are forced to guard him at the arc. When AFA is in with AD and Smith teams just clog bc AFA is not a threat outside of 10ft.
Posted on 12/14/13 at 10:39 am to STEVED00
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Problem is that this is a really bad offensive unit to start the game especially bc of spacing
They score at about a league average rate (about the same as the Wolves) while playing outstanding defense (3rd in the league behind only Indiana and Chicago). Obviously a bit of an unfair comparison, but those are their numbers.
Morrow with the starters score better (107), but the defense is much, much worse (105). Considering this team is awful on defense, a better defensive unit probably needs more time on the court.
Posted on 12/14/13 at 11:27 am to corndeaux
I just think it is not enough reward bringing Ryno off the bench. Reke could actually come in off the bench with Smith and spell any combo of players all while still keeping a good group of offensive players.
Posted on 12/14/13 at 11:27 am to STEVED00
Playing aminu and ryno together vs smart teams is an awful idea.
Teams out the PF on chief and quick small atheltic wing on ryno.
Yikes
Teams out the PF on chief and quick small atheltic wing on ryno.
Yikes
Posted on 12/14/13 at 11:30 am to phelpsalot
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Teams out the PF on chief and quick small atheltic wing on ryno.
AFA and Ryno together has been great with AD out so I think u are using poor logic. Ryno would abuse a smaller player on the post. People forget he has post up skills as well. Plus you still keep the lane open for EG, Reke, and Jrue also forcing your big to worry about AFA crashing the glass on offense (his biggest strength).
This post was edited on 12/14/13 at 11:32 am
Posted on 12/14/13 at 1:06 pm to STEVED00
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Problem is that this is a really bad offensive unit to start the game especially bc of spacing. Morrow starting would be a better option if you want to keep Reke and Ryno coming off the bench. Morrow opens up the lane bc teams are forced to guard him at the arc. When AFA is in with AD and Smith teams just clog bc AFA is not a threat outside of 10ft.
There is a reason Morrow doesn't see much time at the 3. He is a SG hands down. You will only see him at the 3 if they are desperate.
The best lineups that the Pelicans have are:
Holiday-Gordon-Evans-Anderson-Davis
and
Holiday-Gordon-Aminu-Smith-Davis
Which was working great until Davis got injured. They were just getting into the swing of everyone knowing their roles when Davis went down. When everyone returns from injury you will see these two lineups getting the grunt of the time again. Monty will also try to avoid having Davis get beat up to much by opposing centers.
Posted on 12/14/13 at 6:01 pm to STEVED00
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I just think it is not enough reward bringing Ryno off the bench. Reke could actually come in off the bench with Smith and spell any combo of players all while still keeping a good group of offensive players.
The starting offense isn't a problem. The bench without Anderson is an absolute tire fire. We saw it to start the year, we see it now.
Start or bench, Anderson and Davis are only playing ~20mpg together. I'm not sure why the opening minutes are more important than any other time in the game. In fact, they played more together per game than any other big pairing on the roster in the 6 games they had before Davis went down.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 9:18 am to corndeaux
My point is just to shorten our bench and give the 10 mins a game we are giving to Amundson to AFA at the 4. AFA could handle the extra mins. Hell all of our stars couls handle extra mins IMO due to their young age.
AFA at the 3 is MOST effective when Ryno is in at the 4.
AFA at the 3 is MOST effective when Ryno is in at the 4.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 10:15 am to STEVED00
Definitely agree the rotation needs to be shortened. When Davis comes back, Amundson/Steimsma should be cut out of the rotation unless foul trouble.
I even think Aminu would be great as a small ball, bench 4 with Anderson.
Evans and Aminu should be closer to 30mpg rather than sub 25
Posted on 12/15/13 at 8:04 pm to corndeaux
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I even think Aminu would be great as a small ball, bench 4 with Anderson. Evans and Aminu should be closer to 30mpg rather than sub 25
This is what I am saying. U can start AFA with Ryno and still have a good 2nd unit just by shortening your bench. All of our guys are 25 or younger so they can easily handle 30 mins +
Posted on 12/15/13 at 8:31 pm to STEVED00
Yes, but Davis or Anderson have to be on the floor at all times. Starting them both makes that trickier.
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