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Officer involved in JFK Assassination speaks for the first time



Very interesting read...

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On November 22, 1963, Nelson was working out of the southwest substation in Dallas. He said that police were spread all over the city guarding multiple areas.

“Only two people were working the south district,” Nelson said, “my partner J.D. Tippit and me. Tippit was working the entire Oak Cliff section.”

On a normal day, Nelson estimated there would have been 10-12 squads covering the area.

Nelson said he was across the viaduct from the Texas Book Depository when he heard the shots ring out in the cold Dallas air. The police dispatch was almost immediately on the air with reports of shots fired.

What Nelson heard was the shots that would forever change American history.



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As Oswald was moving through the basement, Nelson was approximately 20 feet away when he heard a shot ring out and then chaos. Chicago businessman Jack Ruby had gotten into the basement and shot Oswald with a .38 revolver.

Nelson said Ruby was bent over and he heard someone yell, “Get his gun.”

“I grabbed for his hands and didn’t find a gun,” Nelson said. “But I managed to manhandle him into the basement jail house office and handcuffed him.”

Ruby reportedly said, “It’s me, it’s Jack,” right after he fired the fatal shot at Oswald. Ruby knew several Dallas Police officers, but Nelson said he was not familiar with him.

What hasn’t been shared before is what Nelson said happened just before the shooting and then in the immediate aftermath.

According to Nelson, right before Oswald was brought to the basement, a Dallas Police decoy car was brought to the basement and plain clothes cops were put inside the car to distract the media from the real transfer vehicle.

The decoy car drove up the north ramp, which Nelson said was actually the entry ramp to the basement.

“They drove up the north ramp which was actually the entry ramp into the basement and drove around the block,” Nelson said.

Nelson said the lieutenant driving the decoy car came walking back through his area after parking in the basement again. Nelson said he was positive that Ruby had not passed him to get into the basement.

According to Nelson, Lieutenant Sam Pierce said Ruby walked right by the decoy car and walked down the north ramp into the basement. Shortly after the shooting, however, Nelson was told Dallas Chief of Police Jesse Curry wanted to see him.

When Nelson got to Chief Curry’s office, he saw Lieutenant Pierce was already in the office. The chief told Nelson, “R.C., this isn’t going to be held against you with all the TV cameras that were coming into the basement.”

Nelson thought Chief Curry was implying that Ruby had gotten past him. Nelson said he told the chief that, “You can tell them anything you want, but Ruby didn’t come by me!”

In the days that followed, Officer Tippit would be laid to rest and when Nelson saw his former partner’s wife to try to comfort her was hard.

“The first time I had contact with her; it was tough,” Nelson recalled. “You’ve got a partner and you see his wife and kid at his funeral. (Choking up) It was pretty tough.”

Over the next year, the Warren Commission investigated the assassination of President Kennedy and the murder of Lee Harvey Oswald. Despite his being right in the middle of the historical events, Nelson said he was never called to testify.

“I thought it was kind of strange, because all during the Warren Commission hearings, no one knew how Ruby got into the basement,” Nelson said.



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TheDoc
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Weird





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Weird


Very much...

Whats interesting is how his story about Ruby getting in the basement via other means lines up with Oliver Stone's portrayal from JFK, where they show someone letting Ruby in the basement.






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You should watch the documentary series "The Men Who Killed Kennedy". There's a large segment where they discuss the issue of Ruby entering the garage. They interview a cop that was stationed at the garage entrance that day.

It's a good series back from when the History Channel wasn't garbage. Some of it is over the top, but some of it is really good.






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the documentary series "The Men Who Killed Kennedy"


I'm watching it right now on Youtube and it is excellent.






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You should read about Oswald in Mexico City.







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I was 14 when it happened. At first I bought the lone gunman story. But the older I get, and the more I read and remember, the more I am coming down in the area of thinking this was not a one man job. And I do think Jim Garrison was onto something (and not because of the Oliver Stone movie, JFK).

Which is why at the time so much effort was put into discrediting his investigation. BTW, I loved that Stone cast Garrison as Chief Justice Warren in the movie.

Whoever did it, it looks like it was meticulously planned, and aggressively covered up by well-placed somebody(ies).

But the longer time goes on, the less interest by younger people. And the older ones are dying off, so it may be virtually impossible in 5-10 more years to get any real answers from people who were really alive and on the scene when it happened.






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The photo with Ruby and his gun firing into Oswald won the Pulitzer so that's really not at issue.

What's interesting is Tippet's partner who said Tippet was not the type of officer to just stop someone on the street and ask questions and would never be so unprepared if he thought Oswald was the gunman to allow Oswald to shot him in the temple.

It's odd that Oswald would take a cab then a bus to get home, then leave immediately. Where was he going? He ended up in the theater after shooting Tippet and didn't buy a ticket to get in which immediately drew attention to himself. Very strange.






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Ruby on his deathbed said he went to Western Union then saw a crowd at the police station, walked over to see what was going on, went down the ramp in front of a police car and thought it odd that he wasn't stopped. He said he didn't remember shooting Oswald and had no plans to do so. And he always carried a gun.

People who knew him said he was kinda nuts with mood swings.






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Ruby on his deathbed said he went to Western Union then saw a crowd at the police station, walked over to see what was going on, went down the ramp in front of a police car and thought it odd that he wasn't stopped. He said he didn't remember shooting Oswald and had no plans to do so. And he always carried a gun.

People who knew him said he was kinda nuts with mood swings.


Yep, one of his employees needed a loan or something so he was sending a money order. He just happened to be in the area.

He also left his dog in the car, which suggests the shooting wasn't pre-planned.

The Dallas Police were just very incompetent in how they handled the whole situation. Letting press into the area was maybe one of the most idiotic actions you will ever read about.






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But the longer time goes on, the less interest by younger people.


You hit the nail right on the head.

On Friday of last week (Nov. 22nd), I asked one of my employees (22 years old) a trivia question about the historical significance of that day. She had no clue. I even gave a hint... "think president". Still didn't know.









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It's odd that Oswald would take a cab then a bus to get home, then leave immediately. Where was he going? He ended up in the theater after shooting Tippet and didn't buy a ticket to get in which immediately drew attention to himself. Very strange.


Yup...

I watched something this weekend, don't remember what channel, but it laid out how they think Oswald made the first couple of shots, but that the kill shot was an accidental shot by the SS in the trailing car. The evidence they had was pretty damn compelling.






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You hit the nail right on the head.

On Friday of last week (Nov. 22nd), I asked one of my employees (22 years old) a trivia question about the historical significance of that day. She had no clue. I even gave a hint... "think president". Still didn't know.


What is on September 6, 1961, I asked a young person a trivia question about the historical significance of that day. Do you think they would know?

(60th anniversary of McKinley's assassination)

Or the same thing about the Garfield assassination. Or the same thing about the date of the Lincoln assassination.

It is just the way it is.






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Kennedy assasination gets alot of play on TV, in the press.

No good reason why someone in their 20's should not be familar with Kennedy Assasination.

THe employee is probably a retard






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What is on September 6, 1961, I asked a young person a trivia question about the historical significance of that day. Do you think they would know? (60th anniversary of McKinley's assassination) Or the same thing about the Garfield assassination. Or the same thing about the date of the Lincoln assassination. It is just the way it is.


I get your point, but in the last 2 weeks most major media were bringing up the 50th anniversary of the assassination as a pretty major topic.

You would think at least in passing that person would have perhaps picked up on that.







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You should read about Oswald in Mexico City.
You should read about Oswald in New Orleans, working indirectly with Oschner, in the book "Dr. Mary's Monkey."
YouTube also has many interviews with the author.






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#1 If you believe in a conspiracy then you believe that Ruth Payne was involved. She had to be since she was Oswald's connection to get a job at the Book Depository. You also must believe that Roy Truly, the man who hired Oswald there, was involved also. In 50 years there has never been any evidence that either has had any connections to the FBI, CIA, mafia, or any other group conspiracy theorists point the finger at.

#2 You also have to believe that Jack Ruby, running late as it is, decided to risk missing Oswald all together when he stopped off at Western Union to wire one of his employee $25 to pay her rent like 3 minutes before he shot Oswald. You'd also have to believe that Oswald himself was involved in his own end as the only reason he hadn't been transported long before Ruby arrived at the police station was because he asked for a change of clothes.

#3 The physical evidence overwhelmingly shows that all shots came from the 6th floor of the book depository. The infamous "magic bullet" presupposes that Kennedy and Connelly were seated on a level plane, but in reality we know that model Lincoln had a front seat that was sunken around 13 inches below the rear seat. When corrected the trajectory shows Lee Harvey Oswald was the only one who could have fired that shot.

Oswald acted alone.






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Whoever did it, it looks like it was meticulously planned, and aggressively covered up by well-placed somebody(ies).

But the longer time goes on, the less interest by younger people. And the older ones are dying off, so it may be virtually impossible in 5-10 more years to get any real answers from people who were really alive and on the scene when it happened.
Fast forward 50 years and the same will be said about 9/11.






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TX Tiger
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I get your point, but in the last 2 weeks most major media were bringing up the 50th anniversary of the assassination as a pretty major topic.

You would think at least in passing that person would have perhaps picked up on that.
You think with all the quality television (Honey BooBoo, Dancing With The Stars, reality TV, etc.) that a young person today is going to watch a documentary on something that happened long before they were born?






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