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Coaching Referendum Saturday
Posted on 11/5/13 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 11/5/13 at 2:15 pm
Not so much the two personalities, Saban vs Miles. I think it's more a referendum on two coaching style extremes...
One is the planned, focused, intense, talent-laden, performance-based, execution-demanded, systematic and well-disciplined, well-prepared and consistently successful team culture & coaching model.
The other is the players' coach approach, folksy, not always totally focused, luck and talent based, emotional highs and lows, intuitive and fairly successful at it (a lot of the time) team culture & coaching model.
Admittedly these are two imperfect impressions I'm presenting. But from my observation of LSU under Saban and Miles, and Alabama under Saban, I just can't help but see certain patterns repeated again and again. I attribute these patterns to the two different styles of these very different head coaches.
So I wonder about Saturday's outcome. Or maybe I don't. What about you?
One is the planned, focused, intense, talent-laden, performance-based, execution-demanded, systematic and well-disciplined, well-prepared and consistently successful team culture & coaching model.
The other is the players' coach approach, folksy, not always totally focused, luck and talent based, emotional highs and lows, intuitive and fairly successful at it (a lot of the time) team culture & coaching model.
Admittedly these are two imperfect impressions I'm presenting. But from my observation of LSU under Saban and Miles, and Alabama under Saban, I just can't help but see certain patterns repeated again and again. I attribute these patterns to the two different styles of these very different head coaches.
So I wonder about Saturday's outcome. Or maybe I don't. What about you?
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Posted on 11/5/13 at 2:36 pm to JawjaTigah
quote:
One is the planned, focused, intense, talent-laden, performance-based, execution-demanded, systematic and well-disciplined, well-prepared and consistently successful team culture & coaching model.
Who wouldn't prefer this approach? Saban is a miserable human being, but he's a hell of a coach. His attention to detail is one reason why his teams are so successful. It's never a good thing when a coach who gets paid 4.5 million dollars a year admits that he didn't have his team prepared to play.
Posted on 11/5/13 at 2:39 pm to JawjaTigah
WTF is a folksy coaching approach? This is such a lame post.
Saban is the perfect coach while Miles relies on his folksy luck, har har har.
Saban is the perfect coach while Miles relies on his folksy luck, har har har.
Posted on 11/5/13 at 2:41 pm to JawjaTigah
quote:It's time to play Stupid or Troll?!
The other is the players' coach approach, folksy, not always totally focused, luck and talent based, emotional highs and lows, intuitive and fairly successful at it (a lot of the time) team culture & coaching model.
Posted on 11/5/13 at 2:44 pm to ballscaster
You can always tell when the sunshine pumper/Miles apologists' buttons have been pressed...
Posted on 11/5/13 at 2:49 pm to JawjaTigah
The correct answer is..."Troll!"
Posted on 11/5/13 at 2:51 pm to JawjaTigah
quote:
One is the planned, focused, intense, talent-laden, performance-based, execution-demanded, systematic and well-disciplined, well-prepared and consistently successful team culture & coaching model.
I'd be willing to bet that if you asked Alabama's players if they feel like the above paragraph describes the LSU teams they've played against they'd overwhelmingly say that it does.
Posted on 11/5/13 at 2:51 pm to JawjaTigah
Saturday is about recruiting - bottom line. We lost a ton of experience, and they didn't. Our young guys vs. their experience. It's not about coaching styles or even fricking game plans.
Posted on 11/5/13 at 2:52 pm to ballscaster
quote:Pumpers/Apologists Unite! Try to change the subject, hijack the thread, and never have to deal with the OP issues as presented.
The (really) correct answer is...
Posted on 11/5/13 at 2:53 pm to ballscaster
quote:
The correct answer is..."Troll!"
Absolutely
Posted on 11/5/13 at 2:54 pm to kbro
quote:And this is a very good point; perception can definitely be reality. But is it really reality? We won't maybe know the answer until the end of the 4th quarter.
I'd be willing to bet that if you asked Alabama's players if they feel like the above paragraph describes the LSU teams they've played against they'd overwhelmingly say that it does.
Posted on 11/5/13 at 2:54 pm to JawjaTigah
quote:
Pumpers/Apologists Unite! Try to change the subject, hijack the thread, and never have to deal with the OP issues as presented.
Obviously folksy coaching approach is what every coach strives for, because that's a thing and all.
This post was edited on 11/5/13 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 11/5/13 at 2:54 pm to JawjaTigah
quote:
One is the planned, focused, intense, talent-laden, performance-based, execution-demanded, systematic and well-disciplined, well-prepared and consistently successful team culture & coaching model.
Why don't you just ask him out already?
Posted on 11/5/13 at 2:57 pm to JawjaTigah
quote:
JawjaTigah
your post history shows that you're just as unobjective as the dreaded "pumpers" you refer to...
Posted on 11/5/13 at 2:59 pm to ForeLSU
quote:Busted! Haha. If you really look at my post history, you'll see me going back and forth on CLM and his coaching style, and the football culture that results from it. I truly can't figure the man out. I just know what I think I see. And for some if "folksy" doesn't compute, try to describe any series of short sentences this coach strings together when on camera. I didn't use "incoherent" to describe it; I thought "folksy" was somehow kinder and more generous.
your post history
This post was edited on 11/5/13 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 11/5/13 at 3:01 pm to JawjaTigah
quote:
luck
Really ? A coach with a winning percentage (all career as HC) in the top 10 of active coaches and you think luck is one of the reasons. Let alone most of the games being played in the SEC West. You don't win 75%+ of every game you have ever coached because you're lucky and folksy.
Posted on 11/5/13 at 3:02 pm to LouisianaLonghorn
quote:omg
when a coach who gets paid 4.5 million dollars a year
Posted on 11/5/13 at 3:03 pm to JawjaTigah
quote:
And this is a very good point; perception can definitely be reality. But is it really reality? We won't maybe know the answer until the end of the 4th quarter.
It was reality last year when we played them.
So yeah definitely reality not perception. Ask those players in red which team was the most intense, the most talented, the most focused etc team they've played on the field punching each other in the mouth last year. LSU will be their answer.
Tx A&M made a comeback on them this year and came close but we were the last team that had them beat and they know it.
Posted on 11/5/13 at 3:04 pm to ccomeaux
quote:Yeah. What I also said was
Really
quote:He does have a very good, really good, impressively good w/l record at LSU. But the earlier CLM relied a lot on gambling trickerations and pulled them off pretty well, which is a combination of luck and execution. Later, the gambling hasn't panned out nearly as well. Luck changed or philosophy? Hmm?
fairly successful at it (a lot of the time)
Posted on 11/5/13 at 3:06 pm to JawjaTigah
quote:
I just know what I think I see. And for some if "folksy" doesn't compute, try to describe any series of short sentences this coach strings together when on camera. I didn't use "incoherent" to describe it; I thought "folksy" was somehow kinder and more generous
Oh ok, well thanks for letting me know that you are an idiot for 1.) being unable to understand spoken English language 2.) not knowing that "folksy" and "incoherent" are not remotely related.
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