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Late Season Training - English Pointers

Posted on 10/21/13 at 2:13 pm
Posted by eyepooted
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Posted on 10/21/13 at 2:13 pm
This past weekend I went to my parents house in Elizabeth, La. My father is a big quail hunter and we took the weekend to work his 5 young English Pointers.

On Saturday we went north of Pitkin, La to the Kisatchie National Forest. The goal was to get the dogs into some new areas away from my fathers property.

I would have to agree with my dad when he told me that this is the most beautiful area in the country to watch a dog point a covey of quail.

We ride horses when we hunt but, we were just training so we walked. The horses defiantly help with keeping up with the dogs.





We made the first round with Jack and Strikker.







On the way back to the truck Jack and Strikker found a nice cool mud hole to take a rest in.



Jack Pointed by the truck.



Jack



Strikker.(He needs some improvement on his posture. I was new to him though.)



Jack and Strikker ran very well and came right back to us when we finished the run.

On the second run we let the other three dogs go. Elvis, Bubba, and Rosie(the only gyp of the 5 dogs)

Rosie was clearly the surprise of the group. She ran just as good or better that Jack and Striker (the two big males) and she cracked her tail beautifully.



Bubba(not pictured in this thread) was also a pleasant surprise, he pointed a couple times. Bubba Ran BIG! At times I was running through the woods just so I could I see him.

Then there was Elvis... He is by far the best looking dog out of the 5(thus the name). When we let the second group loose Rosie and Bubba took off, while Elvis stayed about 20 steps behind dad and I. Dad pretty much cussed him the whole time after that. After a while we lost him because he stopped following. The afternoon ended on a good note for Elvis though.. About 3/4 of the second run was over when Elvis just appeared out of thin air and finally caught on to what he was suppose to be doing! He ran great on the way back to the truck and I think he can and will be a good dog with some work.

Elvis (my phone died so I had to use dads flip phone, reason for the poor picture quality)



Overall, both my father and I were tremendously pleased with the performances of the bird dogs. All of the dogs showed great promise and the training session went better than we expected. I am not officially hooked.

Below is a link to a video I took Sunday morning when my father let the dogs loose for their morning run. It is really hard to take pictures of the dogs why they are hunting because they are so fast. This video gives you an idea of their speed. They come out in order: Jack, Elvis, Strikker, Bubba, and Rosie.
Ignore the terrible commentary.

RELEASE THE..... English Pointers?





Posted by Choirboy
On your property
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 10/21/13 at 2:17 pm to
Great looking dogs

Makes me miss my pow pow
Posted by eyepooted
Member since Jul 2010
5717 posts
Posted on 10/21/13 at 2:21 pm to
quote:

Great looking dogs


THANKS!

The live training quail will be here next week!! I can not wait to see them on the real birds!
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 10/21/13 at 2:26 pm to
Great looking dogs. I will have to watch the video later. Didn't find any wild birds? That property looks great...
Posted by Motorboat
At the camp
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Posted on 10/21/13 at 2:31 pm to
that land looks birdy
Posted by eyepooted
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 10/21/13 at 2:37 pm to
Thanks wick! Yeah you defiantly have to watch the video.

Contrary to the sound of my voice, I am not a overall wearin one toothed redneck.

Didn't see any wild birds. My dad says there are some small pockets of birds but not many.

To your knowledge, is there any kind of wild quail conservation group chapter in the state?

You should make the trip one weekend and get those dogs of yours some hunting time. It's really nice out there and the areas are big.
Posted by aVatiger
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Posted on 10/21/13 at 2:38 pm to
nice dogs!

look like they got great genes, nice land also.. damn nice

here two of our llewllyn's

my oldest, (and my bestest friend of 16 years), Smoky..



and youngest, (and wildest), Jenny..



she runs the show..



gotta get some pics of our others, i cna't wait for grouse season to open up.. literally can almost not wait, we're gonna have a good grouse and turkey season this year i think
Posted by eyepooted
Member since Jul 2010
5717 posts
Posted on 10/21/13 at 2:41 pm to
quote:

aVatiger


Jenny is great looking dog. I don't believe I have every heard of that breed before. Im assuming they point birds?
This post was edited on 10/21/13 at 2:49 pm
Posted by wickowick
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Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 10/21/13 at 2:49 pm to
quote:

To your knowledge, is there any kind of wild quail conservation group chapter in the state?


Not that I am aware, there is a Ruffled Grouse that chapter that most of the woodcock hunters are a member. There is a pretty good banquet near Baton Rouge. Are you looking for info on managing birds of just a group to join?

quote:

You should make the trip one weekend and get those dogs of yours some hunting time. It's really nice out there and the areas are big.


I might, but normally I head to Sandy Hollow WMA to look at very birdy land with no quail.
It is only about 1:15 minutes from me...
Posted by eyepooted
Member since Jul 2010
5717 posts
Posted on 10/21/13 at 3:01 pm to
quote:

Are you looking for info on managing birds of just a group to join?


I am looking to find a chapter that wants to help/back me to increase quail populations / reintroduce wild quail back to that area. I'm feeling pretty motivated after this weekend.

I'm looking for a new challenge..
Wanta help?


quote:

1:15 minutes from me...


Cant argue with that.
Posted by wickowick
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Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 10/21/13 at 3:06 pm to
I can point you in the right direction. There is shooting lodge where the owner is also a farmer and farms almost 5k acres in Louisiana. Him and I had about a 15 minutes talk at the last banquet. He has been experimenting for the past 4-5 years and has decided the best way to get and keep birds is habitat and mass releases of birds. He is making progress...
Posted by eyepooted
Member since Jul 2010
5717 posts
Posted on 10/21/13 at 3:13 pm to
quote:

He has been experimenting for the past 4-5 years and has decided the best way to get and keep birds is habitat and mass releases of birds. He is making progress...


Well that's outstanding! Let me ask you this..

How wild are these quail he is raising? Does he feed them? Does he have shelter for them to stay in? ie. call back cage

Tell me more.

My logic is this, their aren't a lot of quail hunters in the cenla area anymore, thus little to no hunting pressure.. I don't see why they can't flourish with the right habitat management and I'm not sure what else needs to be done other than yearly control burning. My father was a forester for 45 years... he's got a little experience in that department.

Posted by wickowick
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Member since Dec 2006
45814 posts
Posted on 10/21/13 at 3:29 pm to
Hunters are not the problem, it is the habitat and the habitat fragmentation. Quail are the shrimp of the land, EVERYTHING eats them. Snakes, armadillos, coons, possums, ants, yotes, bobcats, etc all get the eggs and babies. Birds of prey take the adults. Hunters are far from the quail's problem.

These quail are as wild as anything you will find. LDWF considers a released quail to be wild if they produced 2 generations of offspring. A bird in the wild 1 month will act very wild.

The habitat management cost lots of money. Grasses turn to woody plants too quick in Louisiana. I saw a study where the land required to sustain a wild population is 2k acres. Quail need farmers to leave a 30' wide border of natural grasses around fields. It is really an uphill battle only for those with land and money to burn (literally)...
Posted by eyepooted
Member since Jul 2010
5717 posts
Posted on 10/21/13 at 3:42 pm to
quote:

The habitat management cost lots of money. Grasses turn to woody plants too quick in Louisiana. I saw a study where the land required to sustain a wild population is 2k acres. Quail need farmers to leave a 30' wide border of natural grasses around fields. It is really an uphill battle only for those with land and money to burn (literally)...


Im not disagreeing with you but I don't understand what more needs to be done other than prescribed burning. I sure would like to find out.

Also, prescribed buring is one of the most cost effective ways to benefit wildlife and more specifically quail. Here's my proof:

Prescribed Burning
Posted by aVatiger
Water
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 10/21/13 at 3:43 pm to
quote:

Im assuming they point birds?


Oh yeah, they come out the womb ready to hunt. Carson's uncle I believe use to breed them around Iona I think.. maybe it was Ville Platte
Posted by aVatiger
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Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 10/21/13 at 3:45 pm to
quote:

Ruffled Grouse


Posted by aVatiger
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Posted on 10/21/13 at 3:49 pm to
The problem with low #s is redtails, crows, skunks and fricking coons.. and pigs according to my dad's best friend, he was a Va DWL game biologist legend supposedly
Posted by eyepooted
Member since Jul 2010
5717 posts
Posted on 10/21/13 at 3:49 pm to
quote:

Oh yeah, they come out the womb ready to hunt. Carson's uncle I believe use to breed them around Iona I think.. maybe it was Ville Platte


That's pretty cool. I'm getting the itch bad too.
Posted by aVatiger
Water
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27967 posts
Posted on 10/21/13 at 3:55 pm to
Gotta watch out for allergies and hip dysplasia, besides for that they are awesome dogs.

When I move back to BR, I'll probably leave them in Va till I can get a place big enough so they can run.
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
45814 posts
Posted on 10/21/13 at 3:58 pm to
and turkeys, turkeys will frick up some baby quail...
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