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re: Jeremy Hill forcing scouts to take notice
Posted on 9/24/13 at 2:33 pm to ProjectP2294
Posted on 9/24/13 at 2:33 pm to ProjectP2294
No trying to hijack thread but was Jeremy Hill going to Alabama till his arrest?
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Posted on 9/24/13 at 2:34 pm to miamitiger
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No trying to hijack thread but was Jeremy Hill going to Alabama till his arrest?
They were still recruiting him after it, so I'd imagine not.
Posted on 9/24/13 at 2:35 pm to Bloodworth
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Hill knows what to do when there is a hole and space to run. That is good.
He has not impressed me as a powerful or prolific tackle breaker with breakaway speed to boot. Think Jamal Lewis or Trent Richardson.
Hill is good but not great. He will need great work by O-line to put up great stats against the big boys.
LOL. Really? He ran for over a hundred yards last season behind a patchwork, injury riddled offensive line agains the likes of South Carolina and Alabama, i.e. the Big Boys.
He ran away from secondaries and speedy d-lineman (like Clowney) on a regular basis. Recall his long runs against SC or Clemson or even Auburn last week.
You completely underestimate his vision, quickness, speed, burst to the hole, elusiveness, and power.
What are you babbling about?
Posted on 9/24/13 at 2:37 pm to ProjectP2294
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LaBrandon Toefield and Domanick Davis were really, really good, but Hill looks better.
I'd agree he appears to have probably the most impressive physical tools of any RB since Faulk. And like you said, he won't be able to have that fade effect. That makes this almost a "contract year" for him.
Posted on 9/24/13 at 2:38 pm to lsu2006
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Just an example, Vincent's 2003 season is just as, if not more impressive than anything Hill has done. Toefield, Davis, Addai, Ridley, etc.
Nah, you're confusing production with talent. Just like people in the Faulk vs Cecil thread last week.
Posted on 9/24/13 at 2:44 pm to The312
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LOL. Really? He ran for over a hundred yards last season behind a patchwork, injury riddled offensive line agains the likes of South Carolina and Alabama, i.e. the Big Boys.
He ran away from secondaries and speedy d-lineman (like Clowney) on a regular basis. Recall his long runs against SC or Clemson or even Auburn last week.
You completely underestimate his vision, quickness, speed, burst to the hole, elusiveness, and power.
What are you babbling about?
I never said he was not a good back...just not great. He is big and fast and can hit the hole and go the distance.
However, I would'nt mind seeing him punish defenses more by being a more physical back. I would also like to see him break more tackles.
Posted on 9/24/13 at 2:48 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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Nah, you're confusing production with talent. Just like people in the Faulk vs Cecil thread last week.
Sorry, but "best" and "better" are a little ambiguous. So, by your measure Cecil Collins is probably the greatest running back in LSU history?
Posted on 9/24/13 at 2:51 pm to Bloodworth
I don't think he's on the level of some of the past LSU greats... yet. I can't help but wonder if we will see him differently in 1 year, or 5 years. Sometimes it's hard to see what's right in front of you. Have to allow for that all too human trait.
And in the grand scheme of things, what if LSU had won a NC last year? What would we be saying about Hill in that context regarding the USC and TAMU games (especially).
All that being said, the kid has almost all the tools. Only thing we haven't seen that much of is hands/receiving. Do see him miss on protection alot, but that's beside the point for this thread.
The vision is at the top of the list
Does know when to zig, zag, and lower the boom
can't deny we've seen that burst and acceleration plenty
that speed with that frame, the term "prototypical" comes to mind
And in the grand scheme of things, what if LSU had won a NC last year? What would we be saying about Hill in that context regarding the USC and TAMU games (especially).
All that being said, the kid has almost all the tools. Only thing we haven't seen that much of is hands/receiving. Do see him miss on protection alot, but that's beside the point for this thread.
The vision is at the top of the list
Does know when to zig, zag, and lower the boom
can't deny we've seen that burst and acceleration plenty
that speed with that frame, the term "prototypical" comes to mind
Posted on 9/24/13 at 2:52 pm to Drew Orleans
quote:There is nothing to argue about. Hill is better hands down. People that can't see this are blind. If he were on Alabama's team. Nick Saban would use him like a mule. Hill is extremely gifted, but suffers from Les Miles system of using multiple backs. He has extraordinary vision for finding holes. Is quick like a much smaller back at making people miss, but can run over you with power. And he has breakaway speed. In otherwords he's the complete back. Only thing he needs to learn is blockin, OB protection. But Hill would be a Heismann contender at another school.
Argued with my gump buddy this weekend about who is better, Hill or Yeldon. It got a little heated.
Yeldon on the other hand is a lil overrated like I've said before. He is good only at makin people miss. For his size he doesn't run with any kind of power. He was really effective last season becuse he split time with Lacy who is a completely different back. Lacy was all power with some moves. And Yeldon would come in to replace him and catch teams off guard with his style of runnin. Now that he is the main back he hasn't done as well so for this season.
This post was edited on 9/24/13 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 9/24/13 at 3:06 pm to tubucoco
Also, NFL scouts have a way of underestimating LSU talent until they actually see them up close. Then there wowed by them like they were with Mathieu, Claiborne, Peterson, Brockers and others.
Posted on 9/24/13 at 3:13 pm to tubucoco
Hill isnt better than Alley Broussard but its close
Posted on 9/24/13 at 3:18 pm to lsu2006
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by your measure Cecil Collins is probably the greatest running back in LSU history?
yes, i would say Collins was the best talent in my time of watching LSU. Then Faulk, and im starting to think Hill is next on the list.
If we're talking production, we need to resume this conversation after Hill's career is over...
This post was edited on 9/24/13 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 9/24/13 at 3:20 pm to Lester Earl
Broussard. You told me awhile back Knile Davis and some other SEC back were better than Ridley. 
Posted on 9/24/13 at 3:23 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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If we're talking production, we need to resume this conversation after Hill's career is over...
This was my issue.
Calling someone the "best RB since Faulk" can mean a number of things. Not only has Hill not produced enough to garner this title, one could argue he's not even the most talented since him.
This post was edited on 9/24/13 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 9/24/13 at 3:24 pm to NorthTiger
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Yeah, I think the scouts need to give him a couple more years "to develop" at LSU
Nice post yep I want him to stay at LSU toooooo!!! He is a freaking beast. But as much as we want it, unfortunately if he keeps playing the way he has been playing "which we all want also" to put it in the words of the duck dynasty boys HE GONE!!
I don't like it but it is what it is. Running backs take too much of a pounding and the kid has too much to lose. If he projects in the first 2 rounds "which he will" he has got to go. What if he comes back and blows out a knee like Marcus Lattimore. Nope he gone, but we will still have Hilliard, Magee and hopefully LF for next year.
Posted on 9/24/13 at 3:36 pm to lsu2006
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Calling someone the "best RB since Faulk" can mean a number of things. Not only has Hill not produced enough to garner this title, one could argue he's not even the most talented since him.
Since he's only played half his career, i thought it went without saying, that i meant talent-wise.
one could argue he's not even the most talented since him.
You could argue that, but you'd be wrong
Anyway, to each his own
This post was edited on 9/24/13 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 9/24/13 at 3:42 pm to tubucoco
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Broussard. You told me awhile back Knile Davis and some other SEC back were better than Ridley.
knile davis was better than ridley
Posted on 9/24/13 at 3:48 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
The amazing thing about hill to me is, he hasn't lost a thing since last year.
It seams that LSU backs are a little inconsistent year to year. He is literally the same back every game.
Spencer ware was to me, a huge disappointment to me last year. The way he ran in the cotton bowl was unreal. But he came back slower with less wiggle and always looking for contact instead of yards.
Having said that, part of me misses ware and I would like to see how ford would've did in cams offense.
Ford was much better then what we saw IMO. Maybe I'm wrong. Either way, the question will never be answered.
It seams that LSU backs are a little inconsistent year to year. He is literally the same back every game.
Spencer ware was to me, a huge disappointment to me last year. The way he ran in the cotton bowl was unreal. But he came back slower with less wiggle and always looking for contact instead of yards.
Having said that, part of me misses ware and I would like to see how ford would've did in cams offense.
Ford was much better then what we saw IMO. Maybe I'm wrong. Either way, the question will never be answered.
Posted on 9/24/13 at 3:50 pm to Lester Earl
Knile Davis was better then Scott and Ridley, ford, ware, blue, Hilliard etc.
Just don't understand Hilliard right now.
Just don't understand Hilliard right now.
Posted on 9/24/13 at 3:50 pm to Woverw
quote:The Raiders. The team LSU QBs go to die.
As long as it's not the frickin' Raiders.
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