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deltaland
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re: Formaldehyde found in imported Vietnames and Chinese catfish


Explain to me why the Govt should allow imports to have a competitive advantage due to domestic policies hurting domestic producers? If our problems were self inflicted I would agree with you 100 percent. I would much rather they do away with minimim wage and ethanol mandates. But that battle can't be won.. So its down to ask the Govt to get the markets back to competitive levels they were at before their shitty policies like ethanol and health safety regulations domestically (while having lax import regs), ruined it, or go unemployed. That's your choices in this situation





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Srbtiger06
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This part right here...

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Explain to me why the Govt should allow imports to have a competitive advantage due to domestic policies hurting domestic producers?


will go ignored.






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HortensePowdermaker
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Explain to me why the Govt should allow imports to have a competitive advantage due to domestic policies hurting domestic producers?


I don't think they should. I just don't quite buy into the image you are trying to create of yourself as this wholly disinterested catfish farmer who just wants a fair shake. At the very least, almost everyone else in your industry wants more than just a fair shake.

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So its down to ask the Govt to get the markets back to competitive levels they were at before their shitty policies like ethanol and health safety regulations domestically (while having lax import regs), ruined it, or go unemployed. That's your choices in this situation


Part of me still says if the foreign product is inferior, then people will buy yours instead.






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I B Freeman
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Part of me still says if the foreign product is inferior, then people will buy yours instead.


And they are and paying a nice premium for it. There is really two business here---fresh catfish and frozen catfish. The two are about the same size dollar wise.






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I B Freeman
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There is cost in maintaining it. We have high dollar wells pumping clean ground water while Vietnam pipes in polluted river water


Why do you say BS like that? What would you be arguing if it was proven their safety standards were better?? Would you then be wanting to subsidize the import? Of course not.

I wonder just which industry the Vietnamese or the American is the largest? I wonder who sells more worldwide?

Let's see what the Australians say---

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What Is Basa?

Basa is a fresh water fish, farmed mainly in the Mekong River system of Vietnam. It is one the world's most successful aquaculture species - and is rapidly becoming one of the most popular fish in Europe, north America - and Australia.

These fast growing fish produce large white fillets with no bones, flesh that is moist with a light firm texture, and a mild fish flavour - exactly the combination preferred by most Australians. This makes Basa one of the most versatile species we have: ideal for restaurant or take-away meals, but equally suitable as a table fish to cook at home using a multitude of recipes and cooking styles.

Basa is often presented in retail outlets already prepared in a variety of flavoured marinades, ready to cook and eat within minutes.

The name Basa was chosen by the Australian Fish Names Committee as the approved Standard marketing Australian name. It is derived from the local (Vietnamese) word for the species. Names such as Pacific Dory or Catfish are incorrect.

What Are The Growing Conditions For Basa?

Basa are grown in one of the most suitable environments for fish farming found anywhere in the world. The Mekong River (from which drains much of the Himalayan snow melt) has one of the largest consistent flows of fresh, clean water on the planet. Australian environmental scientists working for the Mekong River Commission, which monitors water quality at over 50 sites, confirm that testing over the past 15 years shows no serious contamination of the river - partly because there is little industry in its catchment, and partly because of its large flow. It is one of the cleanest of the world's large rivers. Claims that the Mekong River is seriously contaminated have been overwhelmingly refuted by those Australian scientists working in the region.

How Safe Is Basa?

Behind Vietnam's farmed fish export trade is a modern, multi-billion dollar industry that applies the highest levels of global science and technology in the entire chain of its safe food production - essential to enable it to compete in highly regulated and fastidious western markets. The processing factories that produce fish for export to Australia are at the cutting edge of modern technology and are accredited to the highest levels of international food safety.

In addition, the Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service (AQIS) service rigorously tests all arriving shipments of fish for a range of potential contaminants, prior to release. This multi-tier food safety system ensures consumers have no need to be concerned about product quality or food safety - and this is frequently confirmed by Australia's highest food safety authority: Food Standards Australia New Zealand (FSANZ).




Gosh Delta do you really think you are the guy that should be arguing for the catfish producers??



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I B Freeman
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Explain to me why the Govt should allow imports to have a competitive advantage due to domestic policies hurting domestic producers?


will go ignored.


How come you protectionists never talk about the extra cost Asians have to sell here?? Do you ever even think about that in terms of any industry? Let's just consider some obvious ones--ocean freight---at least 15 cents a pound I bet. Inland freight--it ain't cheap hauling anything from West Coast where the Asians ship to the East Coast where most Americans live--probably at least 10 cents per pound. There is a .25 cent advantage Mississippi has already.

US distribution--they have to have an importer to distribute their product. He probably needs 10-20% to operate.

Tired tired tired of this whining.







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CITWTT
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Doesn't anyone remember the lovely odor of a biology lab classroom? Guess what that was? Would you have taken a snort of it for shits and giggles?





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I B Freeman
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Doesn't anyone remember the lovely odor of a biology lab classroom? Guess what that was? Would you have taken a snort of it for shits and giggles?


Guess what CITWITT if you can find it you can sue the s*** out of the store that is selling it, the importer and the insurer of the Asian shipper if it is a health hazard. You and Delta have plenty of tort remedies. Class action. Adams County Mississippi is a breeding ground for class action lawsuits.

Haven't heard of any lawsuits yet have you??? Maybe there is an evidence problem??



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Srbtiger06
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Haven't heard of any lawsuits yet have you??? Maybe there is an evidence problem??


The imports have only been a big part of the market for what, 5 years now? In 5 years can you:

1) Get enough product here to have problems
2) Investigate the cause and conclude that it was indeed problems with imports
3) Build the case
4) Bring it to court

Probably not.






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JasonL79
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quote:quote: Explain to me why the Govt should allow imports to have a competitive advantage due to domestic policies hurting domestic producers? will go ignored. How come you protectionists never talk about the extra cost Asians have to sell here?? Do you ever even think about that in terms of any industry? Let's just consider some obvious ones--ocean freight---at least 15 cents a pound I bet. Inland freight--it ain't cheap hauling anything from West Coast where the Asians ship to the East Coast where most Americans live--probably at least 10 cents per pound. There is a .25 cent advantage Mississippi has already. US distribution--they have to have an importer to distribute their product. He probably needs 10-20% to operate. Tired tired tired of this whining.


Let's look at the cost of Basa and what it lands in the U.S. for and other relevant facts that goes into the industry. Basa fillets can be bought wholesale for around $2-$2.25/lb delivered to the southeast. Let's get back to their cost and see if domestically we can compete with them. Freight costs estimated to get it here:

Asia to California= $.25/lb estimated
California to the Southeast= $.15/lb

That means they are getting $1.60-$1.85 for their fillets before shipping. Let's look at what they are getting a pound for the wholefish. A catfish yields around 35% (estimated- may be a little off because my family's fish processing business didn't do much catfish processing) so they are getting $.55-$.65/lb sales price for the whole fish.

This equates to less than half for any domestically caught and processed fish in the US. In the southeast, sheephead is probably the cheapest/edible fish and we still get more than double the above price processed. There is no way you can compete with those prices domestically. I couldn't imagine the cost of raising and feeding the fish along with all the other expenses that go into maintaining a catfish farm.

Another problem with Basa besides the chemical issues in the past has been the weight. For years, they shorted on weight or used extra glaze on their fish to make the weight. So for a 15lb box you were only getting 12.5-14lbs. You cannot do that in the U.S. and if you do you will get fined.







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I B Freeman
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You cannot do that in the U.S. and if you do you will get fined.


Call weights and measures at the Louisiana department of agriculture. That is a state issue.

That is also an issue any buyer should consider.






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JasonL79
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How come you protectionists never talk about the extra cost Asians have to sell here??


How do you think they are able to be twice as cheap as the domestic market and still make money?







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I B Freeman
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The imports have only been a big part of the market for what, 5 years now?


No since the nineties. What do you think about the Australian article?

I notice all this "level playing field" BS is suddenly quiet when someone asks about the additional cost importers face.

If level playing fields are all important should we be subsidizing the shipment of the Asian fish?????






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Srbtiger06
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I B Freeman


Just as I figured, one issue at a time.






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JasonL79
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I notice all this "level playing field" BS is suddenly quiet when someone asks about the additional cost importers face.


I addressed those. They are able to do it because of cheap labor and how poor their country is compared to ours. They are also communist and don't have to pay workers hardly anything compared to the U.S's situation. That is the sole reason they are able to sell their fish over here twice as cheap as ours.






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I B Freeman
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How do you think they are able to be twice as cheap as the domestic market and still make money?


They obviously are cheaper producers. What's wrong with that?

One reason I would guess is their climate. It is warm all the time and even Delta will admit that makes for faster weight gains and no doubt more efficient feed use.






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JasonL79
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Haven't heard of any lawsuits yet have you??? Maybe there is an evidence problem??


There has been no cases that I know of from eating and getting sick on basa. If there are any, it would be more of a longterm health issue that cannot be determined yet.

Personally I stay away from it for this very reason and because I like to support American jobs as much as I can.






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deltaland
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Who gives a frick what Australia says? Maybe to them, the fish is fine. Perhaps in Australia the chemicals the Vietnamese use aren't banned,therefore by their standards it is fine to them. By US standards, it is not. Our scientists have found banned chemicals in their fish and that is a fact. I don't give a flying frick what Australian scientists find because I'm sure their laws are different than ours. And frankly I don't give a frick about the Vietnamese I'd couldn't care less if their farmers starved to death over there. I guarantee they feel the same about us so with that frick them, frick you, and frick our entire goddamn Government.





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Srbtiger06
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I notice all this "level playing field" BS is suddenly quiet when someone asks about the additional cost importers face.


Because you never answer this:

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How do you think they are able to be twice as cheap as the domestic market and still make money?


But I don't expect you to anyway, so I'll adress your next point.

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If level playing fields are all important should we be subsidizing the shipment of the Asian fish?????


You're totally missing the argument here and only focusing on the current bill. Follow me here if you can wrap your head around a few points.

1) Yes, this new bill makes it tougher on imports.
2) It is being discussed because domestic farmers are struggling to compete with foreign farmers.
3) The bill will close the gap between foreign and domestic.
4) The US government has regulated domestic farmers to a point to where they claim they can't compete.

I think we all agree that those are facts here. Where we split is the solution.

-You say the imports are fine, healthy, and not dangerous. They may be. I don't know 100% but I'll concede that point. Regardless, they're still held to lower standards.
-I haven't seen anything saying the domestic fish are any more prone to issues than imports. They're subject to higher standards though. There is a cost in meeting those standards.

Government has put these standards in place, thus allowing imports to bypass that additional cost. Where is your outrage there?






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Srbtiger06
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Another little set of facts:

1) We have ethanol subsidies and mandates here. They have driven the price of corn and other crops up to ridiculous levels.
2) Those 2 items drive up feed prices. This raises expenses for domestic farmers.
3) You've previously stated you're against the mandate and subsidy, yet in regards to domestic catfish farmers you're just saying 'eh...deal with it'.
4) We have minimum wages here. Imports don't deal with that.

So the government screws things up for domestic producers but your outrage is with the farmers? Do you not realize how screwed up that sounds? Of COURSE the farmers want help. They've taken it up the chute to the point of not being able to compete...a little reach around would be nice.






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