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Even "Elite" Coaches Can Make Game Management Look Hard
Posted on 9/13/13 at 8:55 am
Posted on 9/13/13 at 8:55 am
Les Miles has been very rightly lampooned here and other places for his very high profile mistakes in big spots. He has worked on these issues and they are becoming less frequent, though not totally eliminated.
Gary Patterson, widely cited on this board as an elite coach whom many posters wanted to see replace Les Miles made massive mistakes yesterday. Combine these with the massive errors he made managing the clock in the opener, and it looks like the grass isn't always greener.
Here are a tiny swath of mistakes that compounded atrocious officiating to cost TCU the game (the issues are bolded, the explanation is beneath if you don't want to read the wall of text ):
Poor offensive selection on their best chance to tie the game:
Patterson, with Boykin under center, had the ball with 4 minutes left down one score. They had just completed a touchdown drive where they gashed the Raiders rushing the football. They went three and out. Not a single rush of the football. They had two penalties on that drive compounding those issues (the two penalties occured after first and second down pass attempts, and did not affect the D&D to change the calculus on running on those downs).
Poor understanding of game situations on when to kick field goals:
Gary Patterson sent the kicker out for a 56-yard field goal trailing by seven points in the fourth quarter (14 minutes remaining). While a gutsy call, the call didn't fit the way the game was played and it was a career long attempt for their excellent kicker. It also wasn't a consistent call as shown by Patterson eschewing a field goal when down by 10 with under 45 seconds left.
It is a hard game with a lot of pressure. Even the best can make it look really difficult sometimes.
tl;dr
Gary Patterson, widely cited on this board as an elite coach whom many posters wanted to see replace Les Miles made massive mistakes yesterday. Combine these with the massive errors he made managing the clock in the opener, and it looks like the grass isn't always greener.
Here are a tiny swath of mistakes that compounded atrocious officiating to cost TCU the game (the issues are bolded, the explanation is beneath if you don't want to read the wall of text ):
Poor offensive selection on their best chance to tie the game:
Patterson, with Boykin under center, had the ball with 4 minutes left down one score. They had just completed a touchdown drive where they gashed the Raiders rushing the football. They went three and out. Not a single rush of the football. They had two penalties on that drive compounding those issues (the two penalties occured after first and second down pass attempts, and did not affect the D&D to change the calculus on running on those downs).
Poor understanding of game situations on when to kick field goals:
Gary Patterson sent the kicker out for a 56-yard field goal trailing by seven points in the fourth quarter (14 minutes remaining). While a gutsy call, the call didn't fit the way the game was played and it was a career long attempt for their excellent kicker. It also wasn't a consistent call as shown by Patterson eschewing a field goal when down by 10 with under 45 seconds left.
It is a hard game with a lot of pressure. Even the best can make it look really difficult sometimes.
tl;dr
This post was edited on 9/13/13 at 8:59 am
Posted on 9/13/13 at 8:58 am to therick711
I didnt read.
LSU Arkansas 2002. Saban made huge mistakes that cost us that game.
Grass isnt greener.
LSU Arkansas 2002. Saban made huge mistakes that cost us that game.
Grass isnt greener.
Posted on 9/13/13 at 9:00 am to dgnx6
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LSU Arkansas 2002. Saban made huge mistakes that cost us that game.
Iowa in 2005 (2004 season) same thing. No one is immune. You just have to learn basic things like when to kick field goals.
Posted on 9/13/13 at 9:09 am to therick711
the more one knows about REAL FOOTBALL, the more one knows you are correct and all coaches make mistakes and some fans accuse them of making mistakes when they don't and not making them when they do. if the play works, it's not a mistake and vice versus. of course, there are internet football geniuses that have no experience or knowledge of the reality's of the game and often are very vocal about how stupid the HC is.
Posted on 9/13/13 at 9:42 am to dgnx6
quote:Blasphemy!!!
Saban made huge mistakes
Posted on 9/13/13 at 10:00 am to therick711
The 56 yard field goal wasnt a bad call by patterson, guy had the distance, just missed by about 5 feet
Posted on 9/13/13 at 10:00 am to therick711
While I agree every coach makes mistakes, I'd bet no other coach making $4M plus is making "Clock it" issues like the Ole Miss game. Any coach can find a way to lose. Saban lost to UAB and ULM. Even got dominated by Utah. But repeating mistakes is just awful.
Posted on 9/13/13 at 10:05 am to Clark W Griswold
The Iowa game situation was weird. I think Iowa was the one who was confused with the clock running after the sack. It confused the one defensive player LSU needed back deep. That was on the player.
Posted on 9/13/13 at 10:06 am to josh336
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The 56 yard field goal wasnt a bad call by patterson, guy had the distance, just missed by about 5 feet
It being a bad call had nothing to do with the fact that the field goal was made or missed. Statistically, it made no sense on an average points per try basis and the lost field position dramatically dropped TCU's chance of victory at that point in the game, statistically speaking. There aren't any numbers that support that call being made in that game, at that time, in that situation. Now coaches go against percentages all the time, but you can't say it wasn't a bad call when every single objective measurable points against making that call AND in the actual game the kicker misses the kick. That's just stubborn.
Posted on 9/13/13 at 10:07 am to josh336
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The Iowa game situation was weird. I think Iowa was the one who was confused with the clock running after the sack. It confused the one defensive player LSU needed back deep. That was on the player.
Ferentz had timeouts in his pocket too. Saban's mistakes weren't so much everyone playing palms and Prude playing cover 2, it was pretty much every ego power play he used in the three quarters before that dug LSU a HUGE hole to get out of.
Posted on 9/13/13 at 10:09 am to Clark W Griswold
If there is one thing I have gained an appreciation for over all these years its end of half/end of game clock management. Sometimes, things just happen. You think you have more time than you do and you lose control of the clock, or you get punchy and leave way too much time on the clock, or you intend to use your time-outs and just don't. Every coach at some point screws up with the clock.
Les just makes his clock issues more dramatic.
Les just makes his clock issues more dramatic.
Posted on 9/13/13 at 10:11 am to therick711
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It being a bad call had nothing to do with the fact that the field goal was made or missed. Statistically, it made no sense on an average points per try basis and the lost field position dramatically dropped TCU's chance of victory at that point in the game, statistically speaking. There aren't any numbers that support that call being made in that game, at that time, in that situation. Now coaches go against percentages all the time, but you can't say it wasn't a bad call when every single objective measurable points against making that call AND in the actual game the kicker misses the kick. That's just stubborn
He tried to gain 3 points, and in the process gave up about 25-30 yards of field position. His team struggled to score all night. His defense was shutting down Tech in the 2nd half. He had faith in his defense at that point. And it proved to be the right call, as Tech didn't score after that.
Posted on 9/13/13 at 10:13 am to Clark W Griswold
I don't understand why, but Les Miles has definitely taken much more criticism than he deserves for his game management. Many coaches have skated by with no criticism at all.
The "clock it" play being a key example. IMO the last pass by Jefferson was suppose to be the last play of the game and go in the endzone. No plans were made for it not to be and probably a decent assumption they wouldn't have enough time to run another play after a very deep pass down field.
The "clock it" play being a key example. IMO the last pass by Jefferson was suppose to be the last play of the game and go in the endzone. No plans were made for it not to be and probably a decent assumption they wouldn't have enough time to run another play after a very deep pass down field.
Posted on 9/13/13 at 10:15 am to sbrian3915
It seems like every single week of football season I ask myself why coach X is getting pass on his play calling/clock management when Les would be crucified for the same mistake.
Posted on 9/13/13 at 10:17 am to josh336
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The Iowa game situation was weird. I think Iowa was the one who was confused with the clock running after the sack. It confused the one defensive player LSU needed back deep. That was on the player.
I remember going back and watching the end of that game. Iowa BUTCHERED game management on their last drive. It was all overshadowed by the fact they lucked into the play that got them the win.
Posted on 9/13/13 at 10:17 am to omegaman66
For a few reasons:
Les is at a big time program in the national spotlight.
The mistakes come in nationally televised games at huge moments.
He talks and acts retarded alot of the time. Therefore its easy to reinforce the point.
Les is at a big time program in the national spotlight.
The mistakes come in nationally televised games at huge moments.
He talks and acts retarded alot of the time. Therefore its easy to reinforce the point.
Posted on 9/13/13 at 10:20 am to josh336
Oh I see if you are a big time coach it is ok to screw up and not be trashed for it because you look the part!
Posted on 9/13/13 at 10:21 am to Colonel Flagg
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The "clock it" play being a key example. IMO the last pass by Jefferson was suppose to be the last play of the game and go in the endzone. No plans were made for it not to be and probably a decent assumption they wouldn't have enough time to run another play after a very deep pass down field.
Exactly. And that is my problem with the whole senario. Why does it need to be the last play? Take the timeout. If you are down in the game and are not going to try a field goal, the point is to extend the game not shorten it.
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