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Stewart Mandel, SI's resident moralist hack, weighs in on the Hill situation...

Posted on 8/7/13 at 5:43 pm
Posted by The312
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Posted on 8/7/13 at 5:43 pm
As most here know, I am not a reactionary Miles apologist. However, the recent media jihad to disengenuously portray Hill as a vicious predator and Miles as his meek enabler is a disgusting farce. For example, the last sentence of Mandel's response is nothing but inflammatory, uninformed, hyperbolic nonsense. It's a gross distortion. And it is completely unfair to LSU. I'm genuinely infuriated at the baseless slander.

Aren't modern journalists even required to conduct a superficial factual investigation before they launch into grandiose, unfounded condemnations of individuals and programs? Jesus.

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Stewart, why isn't more written, shown on the ticker and discussed on ESPN about Les Miles and his lack of discipline? There was the case of Ryan Perrilloux, of Honey Badger and his self-proclaimed 10 failed drug tests and now of running back Jeremy Hill, who received "carnal knowledge" from a 14-year old and later sucker-punched some kid, both situations in which he was convicted. Still, Les lets them all play. Is he bulletproof, or do we have different rules for someone like Les and someone like Urban Meyer?
-- RTG, Dallas

I've written about the Meyer/Miles double standard before, and brought it up on Twitter again on Monday night following Hill's reinstatement. It's pretty unbelievable. I get that Meyer isn't a sympathetic figure, but if he's guilty of giving Florida players too many second chances (as I heard over and over again this summer), then my gosh, what about Miles? Perrilloux was given way more than three strikes before he finally got the boot. Tyrann Mathieu seemingly lost track of how many chances he got. And RTG didn't even bring up Jordan Jefferson, who was also arrested.

Now there's Hill, who thanks to some suspiciously flexible judges, will apparently not miss a game because ... well, his teammates wanted him back. How could a head coach possibly override his players?

Yet as I've also written before, I understand why Miles is so lenient. No one will give him a pass if he loses to TCU because Hill isn't in the lineup. (The Horned Frogs, it should be noted, will be without star defensive end Devonte Fields, suspended two games for an undisclosed team rules violation.) And that's really the lesson here. If a coach is like Miles and never pretends to care about discipline and values and all that magnanimous stuff in the first place, then it won't come back to bite him. Just win games, do quirky stuff like eat grass and the media and fans will mostly let it slide. But if a coach is like Meyer and openly boasts about recruiting "the top one percent of one percent" and the importance of being respectful to women ... and then a bunch of his players get in trouble, he'll never hear the end of it. Not even after suspending a starting running back (Carlos Hyde) three games for an incident in which no charges were filed. At LSU, players who stay out of jail tend to stay on the field.


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This post was edited on 8/7/13 at 5:46 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 8/7/13 at 5:47 pm to
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suspiciously flexible judges
Wow!

Stewart Mandel, (aka the ghost of Clarence Darrow) legal expert and judicial consultant, speaks.
Posted by AlaTiger
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 8/7/13 at 5:47 pm to
Sigh.

Oh well. Why do we care? The media is going to media. It is what they do. Then, they'll move on to the next topic.

They are altogether worthless.
Posted by The312
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Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 8/7/13 at 5:49 pm to
quote:

Stewart Mandel, (aka the ghost of Clarence Darrow) legal expert and judicial consultant, speaks.


Yeah, and I'm sure he only made that statement after conducting a thorough and systematic historical review of misdemeanor sentences in the parish, right?

The guy is an unforgiveable fool.
Posted by BlackHelicopterPilot
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Posted on 8/7/13 at 5:50 pm to
I'm gonna ignore Mandel and cheer like hell for Hill any time he is on the field in an LSU uniform.


Posted by sicboy
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 8/7/13 at 5:51 pm to
I had enough of him on twitter. A full article would be too much.
Posted by harry coleman beast
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Posted on 8/7/13 at 5:52 pm to
Posted by AlaTiger
America
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 8/7/13 at 5:54 pm to
quote:

I'm gonna ignore Mandel and cheer like hell for Hill any time he is on the field in an LSU uniform.


Yep, me too.

And, I really do care about morality in sports and stuff. But, this is just not one of those issues. Not at all.

He made a mistake. By all accounts, he doesn't do stuff like this all the time. He was punished and he apologized and he paid restitution.

Does everything have to involved getting kicked off the team? Short of jail, isn't that the nuclear option? Why is that the only way to send a message?

When people do not know how to teach, discipline, or shape character, all that they know how to do is get rid of people. These "journalists" are slime trying to build their own reputations off of stuff that they know nothing about. How about if they just report the news and keep their opinions to themselves?
Posted by tubucoco
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Member since Oct 2007
32994 posts
Posted on 8/7/13 at 5:56 pm to
This is only the tip of the iceberg. When the season starts and Hill is playin they'll be all kinds of chatter on these college football tv shows.
This post was edited on 8/7/13 at 5:57 pm
Posted by toughcrittercrumb
Houston
Member since Nov 2008
2142 posts
Posted on 8/7/13 at 5:56 pm to
Miles could have shut some of the critics up by announce the suspension during the press conference. Now, when Hill is suspended right before kickoff people are going to bash Miles for being reactionary. I get what Miles is trying to do but it just isn't good PR.
Posted by Brettesaurus Rex
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2009
38259 posts
Posted on 8/7/13 at 5:58 pm to
Who said Hill wasn't missing games? Miles has never said this either way. Lazy reporting to say so when it's not set in stone.
Posted by MagicCityBlazer
Member since Nov 2010
3686 posts
Posted on 8/7/13 at 6:05 pm to
I applaud Stewart Mandel.

The fact of he matter is that Mr.Hill assaulted a man whilst on probation.

Either he is subject to law or he isn't. Coach Miles reprehensibly sent the message "Even if he is caught assaulting someone we will play him as long as he is on the streets."

The worst part is that LSU fans are defending him, they care more about the silly sport than the restitution for his illegal assault.
Posted by LSU=Champions
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Posted on 8/7/13 at 6:06 pm to
quote:

I applaud Stewart Mandel.

The fact of he matter is that Mr.Hill assaulted a man whilst on probation.

Either he is subject to law or he isn't. Coach Miles reprehensibly sent the message "Even if he is caught assaulting someone we will play him as long as he is on the streets."

The worst part is that LSU fans are defending him, they care more about the silly sport than the restitution for his illegal assault.


Ban yourself, Stewart.
Posted by MagicCityBlazer
Member since Nov 2010
3686 posts
Posted on 8/7/13 at 6:09 pm to
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Ban yourself, Stewart.


Jeremy Hill is clearly in the wrong and showed he was of poor moral fibre by his assault.

Please tell me how I'm wrong, or should I defer to your knowledge on assaults?
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 8/7/13 at 6:10 pm to
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Now there's Hill, who thanks to some suspiciously flexible judges,



This literally has me speechless. This guy's lack of knowledge on the criminal justice system is astounding for someone that is supposedly a somewhat educated member of society.


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At LSU, players who stay out of jail tend to stay on the field.


When did Perilloux and Mathieu do jail time again???? Jefferson didn't either and he still missed 4 games.

This guy should be ashamed of himself.


Thanks for cutting and pasting in the OP btw, so no one gives that lying piece of shite a web hit
This post was edited on 8/7/13 at 6:14 pm
Posted by schexyoung
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Member since May 2008
6534 posts
Posted on 8/7/13 at 6:13 pm to
This is the type of coach/person Miles is. He would rather the heat/blame be placed on him rather than on a player. Miles wants to shoulder the burden and shelter his team similar to that of a father - son relationship.

This is also why his players will run through a brick wall for him.
Posted by That LSU Guy
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Member since Jul 2008
11407 posts
Posted on 8/7/13 at 6:13 pm to
quote:

I applaud Stewart Mandel. The fact of he matter is that Mr.Hill assaulted a man whilst on probation. Either he is subject to law or he isn't. Coach Miles reprehensibly sent the message "Even if he is caught assaulting someone we will play him as long as he is on the streets." The worst part is that LSU fans are defending him, they care more about the silly sport than the restitution for his illegal assault.
Posted by danfraz
San Antonio TX
Member since Apr 2008
24550 posts
Posted on 8/7/13 at 6:13 pm to
quote:

thanks to some suspiciously flexible judges


:roflmao:



Thanks for the insight Rush Limbaugh
Posted by LSU=Champions
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Member since Apr 2004
22257 posts
Posted on 8/7/13 at 6:21 pm to
quote:

Please tell me how I'm wrong, or should I defer to your knowledge on assaults?


Deferring to me is always the best of any two options.
Posted by brewhan davey
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Member since Sep 2010
32790 posts
Posted on 8/7/13 at 6:22 pm to
quote:

At LSU, players who stay out of jail tend to stay on the field.


I would hope every school adopts this principle.
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