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How do those online mortgage calculators work?
Posted on 8/1/13 at 10:41 am
Posted on 8/1/13 at 10:41 am
Are bills estimated and built in? They ask for debts, but don't ask anything about your monthly bills, groceries, etc
Posted on 8/1/13 at 10:43 am to VanRIch
For a mortgage you already have? Or for a house you are looking to buy?
Posted on 8/1/13 at 10:46 am to ell_13
I just used this one to see how much home I can afford. Looking to build in about a year.
It gave me what I can afford based on those numbers, it just seems the home cost is too high. I'd never build a house for as much as it's saying I can afford. So I'm just curious how accurate it is.
It gave me what I can afford based on those numbers, it just seems the home cost is too high. I'd never build a house for as much as it's saying I can afford. So I'm just curious how accurate it is.
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Posted on 8/1/13 at 10:47 am to VanRIch
They are all predetermined ratios that were calculated as the industry standard. Generally when they say 25-29% PTI and 37-41% DTI they are already factoring in how much you should be spending on other monthly (non credit debt) bills. They have supposedly already factored you bills in.
However I find those ratios to be too high. Our PTI on a recently opened mortgage is 15% (DTI about 23%), and I will not feel all that comfortable until we start making better money next year.
However I find those ratios to be too high. Our PTI on a recently opened mortgage is 15% (DTI about 23%), and I will not feel all that comfortable until we start making better money next year.
Posted on 8/1/13 at 11:54 am to VanRIch
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groceries, etc
Groceries, going out to eat, entertainment, etc are to come out of whatever discretionary income you have left after calculating your debt to income ratio. This type of spending is not included in the DTI ratio.
Posted on 8/1/13 at 12:45 pm to VABuckeye
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Are you saying that the monthly payment it says I can afford will have to also include groceries etc.? Because that's definitely not accurate.
Posted on 8/1/13 at 12:57 pm to VanRIch
No. It's based on percentages. Your gross income is used. They upper end of what they say a person can afford when it comes to housing (PITI) is roughly 26%. The amount of overall debt you can handle is roughly 36% (including PITI). The other roughly 64% is assumed to go to income and payroll taxes, living expenses, retirement accounts, healthcare, and discretionary. It's imperfect, but it's simple to calculate and widely deplorable. It's one of those rules of thumbs in personal finance that I feel is too generous.
Posted on 8/1/13 at 12:57 pm to VanRIch
Either that thing is way off or I'm way too conservative
My house costs half of what it told me I could afford
My house costs half of what it told me I could afford
Posted on 8/1/13 at 1:08 pm to Hand
So in a low rate environment you can "afford" a larger or more costly home because the notes are smaller relative to the balance of the mortgage but the same relative to your income. People get in trouble with ARMs and ballons because the don't understand changing rate environments. Other rules of thumb from finance that I feel are too generous: you can "afford" a home 2-3x gross annual salary and a car 0.5x gross annual salary. These rules assume that they are mutually exlusive. Personal finance does not exist in a vacuum. It is not static.
Posted on 8/1/13 at 1:10 pm to VanRIch
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Are you saying that the monthly payment it says I can afford will have to also include groceries etc.?
No, I said the opposite. Groceries and other expenses are NOT included in the monthly payment it calculates plus your other obligations. The only things included are PITI for the mortgage plus loans and credit card debt (what shows up on your credit report).
Posted on 8/1/13 at 1:13 pm to VABuckeye
Ok good, so it already assumes based on my income and debt that I have taken out some 'industry average' for living expenses and then said, here's what you can afford?
Posted on 8/1/13 at 1:25 pm to VanRIch
It says, here's what you make and what your debts are and what the house payment and debts are in relation to your gross income. The rest is on you. It doesn't factor any other expenses into the equation.
So, if you go out and spend $1000 a month for child care it does not factor that in as a debt. This is why you should be conservative.
So, if you go out and spend $1000 a month for child care it does not factor that in as a debt. This is why you should be conservative.
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