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Novak had a horrible year on a team desperate for front court players). Toronto is happy cause they just wanted him gone and they got a future 1st (plus some cap flexibility next year), but it didn't make them any better and they didn't add anyone that is really going to play.


Novak will play for them. He is limited, but he is an elite 3 point shooter. He was 43% last year on 4 3PA/G. Toronto did a salary dump for a guy they had no use for. They got a future 1st, one rotation player on a reasonable deal, were able to save $3M this season and have $8M to play with next season. If the Pels have to dump a contract, I would take that return in a second.

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Unconventional is an understatement. I just don't get what the goal is. It goes against almost all conventional wisdom


TigerinAtl has touched on this in his posts and the 3 headed guard monster plays nicely with the way the league has shifted.

This team reminds me of the Heat in some foundational ways. Obviously there is no one of the caliber of any of the Miami Big 3 (yet), but the Pelicans have 3 dynamic perimeter creators, 2 excellent 3 point shooters, and a mobile, active big who is equally adept at attacking the rim or stretching the floor on offense and can be a defensive anchor in the paint.

Will they have issues integrating all of these talents? Yes. There is no guarantee it works. No guarantee a traditional roster works either. Will they have issues playing BIG teams like Memphis and Indiana? Yes. But every one in the league will have trouble against the frontcourts of the those 2 teams. Does Monty have to come up with non traditional schemes, a la Spoelstra, to fit the talents into both offensive and defensive systems? I certainly think so.

You're right about the unconventional, but I've always been a FreeDarko guy so I love teams that put together unique combinations that challenge the traditional paradigm. With all the core guys 25 or under, I'm excited about the possibilities for this team over the next few years. It could quite easily blow up in Demps's face but they are now very, very interesting. After the last 4 years, I will gladly take that. It will at the very least be a lot of fun watching it unfold.






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Hullabaloo
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Haters gonna hate





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brmark70816
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A big thing I have problems grasping is the starting level player coming off the bench. Everyone says it doesn't matter, that he will play major minutes anyway. But there is still that stigma that comes with it. For example, if Monty came out tomorrow and said that Anderson would be the starter at PF, Smith at Center and Davis is the back-up at both.. How do you think that announcement would play around the league? You can use all the same arguments that you use for Evans (he'll still play big minutes, thrive against 2nd units, etc). But almost everybody will think its a slap in the face to Davis, cause he is a better player than Anderson (or will be very soon). That you don't bring your franchise player off the bench. How is that different than Evans?





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TGHub
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You answered your question. Evans isn't our franchise player.





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TigerinATL
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if Monty came out tomorrow and said that Anderson would be the starter at PF, Smith at Center and Davis is the back-up at both.. How do you think that announcement would play around the league?


Davis is a star, Anderson is a quasi star. You aren't really helping yourself by holding Davis back. And it's not that there's no stigma, it's that there's no shame in being the 3rd or 4th best player on the team. Your 5 starters are not always your 5 best players.

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How is that different than Evans?


I was very much against throwing money at Pekovic because I feel he's too one dimensional to justify his salary for the amount of minutes he'd get. If Evans could only play SG it'd be a similar waste of cap space. But because Evans can play 1,2, and 3, you can justify his expensive redundancy because of his versatility. I might feel differently if we had a shot at a stud SF, but considering our options, adding Tyreke to the SF by Committee should do a decent job of plugging a long time hole.






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jdbillio
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That is a solid point, but you really are looking at basketball as it was being played in the mid 90's, not how it is being played today.

With the new influx of analytics in the league, Coaches and GMs are starting to figure out that you have a better odds of winning by 1) reducing injuries 2) having specialized expert role players and 3) maximizing your efficiency in the minutes played.

The best way to achieve those goals is to have a pretty good player come of the bench EX: Ray Allen -Miami, Manu- Spurs, JR Smith - Knicks, etc. . .

Arguably Miami won the championship because Ray Allen and the Spurs lost the championship because of Manu. In a few years I doubt if any player will take it as a slap in the face if he needs to come off the bench to make the team better. That is just the way the league is moving. The Pelicans should not get caught in a traditional mindset that your star players have to start.







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corndeaux
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Debatable that Evans is better than healthy and engaged Gordon, assuming we see that Gordon. But regardless this:

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If Evans could only play SG it'd be a similar waste of cap space. But because Evans can play 1,2, and 3, you can justify his expensive redundancy because of his versatility


Plus smart rotations mean Monty can stagger minutes so that Evans off the bench is running his own team v opposing bench units as the focal point for at least 10-15 minutes every night.

Evans and Anderson is the most talented duo off the bench in the league. Mix and match Morrow, Rivers, Steimsma/Smiht and then some of the starters and you can create some very effective lineups when benches are on the floor.

Like we talked about earlier, finding the right balance and combinations will be tricky. Integrating Holiday/Gordon/Evans on the floor at the same time will also be a challenge. The potential is there but it will probably take some time to figure out.






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burdman
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corndeaux


I agree with all of this.






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brmark70816
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Plus smart rotations mean Monty can stagger minutes so that Evans off the bench is running his own team v opposing bench units as the focal point for at least 10-15 minutes every night.


I don't know that Monty is a good enough coach for this. That means every night he has to scheme his line-ups to engineer wins. I just can't imagine that working in the long term. Guys minutes will bounce around like crazy and it will be hard for them to find balance. Most teams find their best players, start them, play them a ton of minutes and sit them when they get tired. I just think that is easier and the players are more comfortable that way.

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vans and Anderson is the most talented duo off the bench in the league. Mix and match Morrow, Rivers, Steimsma/Smiht and then some of the starters and you can create some very effective lineups when benches are on the floor.


That is probably true, although JR and Stoudamire might be close (especially if Bargnani comes off the bench with them).







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corndeaux
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I think most players just want consistency. I'm coming in at the under 6 TO every night, etc.

Monty, hopefully, should be able to come up with outlined rotations- e.g. Evans for Gordon at 4min in the 1st and 3rd- so its not all game feel (not a Monty strong suit) and guys can find a rhythm in their preparation.






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