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Should NFL Referees Be Allowed to "Dictate the Pace of the Game?"

Posted on 7/30/13 at 10:14 am
Posted by OBUDan
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Posted on 7/30/13 at 10:14 am
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"We have to make sure teams understand that they don't control the tempo, our officials do," said NFL vice president of officiating Dean Blandino. "We're going through our normal ball mechanics, we aren't going to rush [unless] it's in the two minute drill."


That seems awfully egregious/borderline scandalous.
Posted by Tactical1
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Posted on 7/30/13 at 10:15 am to
I don't like the way this is worded. It screams

"We are the one's that control the game."
This post was edited on 7/30/13 at 10:16 am
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
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Posted on 7/30/13 at 10:16 am to
They outright say as much in the other quotes.

Basically telling refs not to allow teams to play "too fast."
Posted by TexasTiger1185
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 7/30/13 at 10:16 am to
Well, how often do teams rush to the line so they can snap the ball before a challenge is made?

When the refs are hurried they make more mistakes. I think we'd all like less mistakes by referees.
Posted by ellunchboxo
Gtown
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 7/30/13 at 10:16 am to
Every team gets 25 seconds from the time the ball is placed or 40 seconds from the end of the play.

What's the issue?

ETA: defensively I see a problem
This post was edited on 7/30/13 at 10:18 am
Posted by veerbone
Mangham, LA
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 7/30/13 at 10:19 am to
Referees have always and will always control the pace of the game. They aren't called "officials" for nothing...they OFFICIATE the game.

/endofdiscussion
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/30/13 at 10:20 am to
the SEC refs used to do this back in the early 00s to ensure a slower, defensive game. Richt would always bitch about it
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 7/30/13 at 10:24 am to
quote:

Referees have always and will always control the pace of the game. They aren't called "officials" for nothing...they OFFICIATE the game.


They can't bully pulpit the game just because they are overseeing it.
Posted by elposter
Member since Dec 2010
24924 posts
Posted on 7/30/13 at 10:25 am to
The nature of football is that the officials have to retrieve and spot the ball on every play, move first down markers on many plays, etc. This takes some amount of time. Football is not a continuous action game. As long as the officials are not going unreasonably slow, there is no reason they should run as fast as they can after every play (just because a team wishes to go warp speed) and they are just saying they aren't going to do that. They are going to go at the customary pace to perform the necessary between play functions. To that extent officials necessarily do and should dictate the pace of the game within reason.
This post was edited on 7/30/13 at 10:27 am
Posted by Tactical1
Denham Springs
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Posted on 7/30/13 at 10:25 am to
quote:

Referees have always and will always control the pace of the game. They aren't called "officials" for nothing...they OFFICIATE the game.


Officiating and controlling the tempo are not the same thing.
Posted by Sophandros
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Posted on 7/30/13 at 10:27 am to
Nothing wrong with what he said.
Posted by EarthwormJim
Member since Dec 2005
10063 posts
Posted on 7/30/13 at 10:31 am to
It's not they are arbitrarily deciding when to slow down the game.

quote:

"We're going through our normal ball mechanics, we aren't going to rush [unless] it's in the two minute drill."
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 7/30/13 at 10:34 am to
quote:

there is no reason they should run as fast as they can after every play


Why not?

2 minutes on the clock, they should walk slowly to place the ball? Take their sweet arse time, cause they run this shite.
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 7/30/13 at 10:34 am to
Doesn't really make any sense to me.

Why is it okay with 2 minutes left but not with 12?

If a team wants to play fast, it's within the rules for them to do so. The refs shouldn't be deciding what tempo a team plays.
Posted by D011ahbi11
Member since Jun 2007
13619 posts
Posted on 7/30/13 at 10:35 am to
I don't like it.
Posted by EarthwormJim
Member since Dec 2005
10063 posts
Posted on 7/30/13 at 10:36 am to
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Pereira, who saw Kelly's offense in action when he briefly oversaw Pac-12 officials two years ago, said Kelly was a coach who lobbied for officials to be more mobile so they could run with the Ducks and get the ball down on the line of scrimmage more quickly, giving the team's center the chance to get a snap off just seconds later. "In the NFL, I don't see him having the juice to persuade crews to work faster," Pereira said. "In fact, I know he doesn't."


quote:

In the NFL, however, referees are required to change balls when a play dies out of bounds or when there's an incomplete pass. That can add five to 10 seconds between plays. Another source of slowness: the referee who spots the ball in the NFL must be behind the deepest offensive back before the offense can snap the ball.

In at least one collegiate conference, the referee has to only be two steps away from the ball for the offense to snap it. The difference between these approaches can add up to 10 seconds in some instances.

The NFL's policy on substitutions won't help the Eagles, either. If an offensive team substitutes a player, Blandino said, it doesn't matter how quickly that player gets to the line of scrimmage—the defense will also be allowed to make its substitutions. NFL referees, he said, will go so far as standing over the ball to make sure the defenders have time to get in the game.


Posted by EarthwormJim
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 7/30/13 at 10:37 am to
quote:

it's within the rules for them to do so


Well techinically it's not within the rules. The officials aren't changing anything to accomodate the Eagles.
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 7/30/13 at 10:39 am to
Why change the rules of the game with 2 minutes to go?

They seem to operate quickly with 2 minutes to go, and are outright saying they won't operate that quickly except then.

It doesn't make any sense.

Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28339 posts
Posted on 7/30/13 at 10:43 am to
quote:

The nature of football is that the officials have to retrieve and spot the ball on every play, move first down markers on many plays, etc. This takes some amount of time. Football is not a continuous action game. As long as the officials are not going unreasonably slow, there is no reason they should run as fast as they can after every play (just because a team wishes to go warp speed) and they are just saying they aren't going to do that. They are going to go at the customary pace to perform the necessary between play functions. To that extent officials necessarily do and should dictate the pace of the game within reason.


This is what I understand the gist of the comments to be. Essentially the refs are saying we're not going to change the way we do things just because one team wants to play at a faster pace than everyone else. We're going to officiate all games, for all teams, uniformly.
Posted by EarthwormJim
Member since Dec 2005
10063 posts
Posted on 7/30/13 at 10:46 am to
quote:

They seem to operate quickly with 2 minutes to go, and are outright saying they won't operate that quickly except then


No, that's not what they are saying. They are saying Chip Kelly's offense won't be able to operate as quickly as it did in college and that Chip Kelly won't have any influence on the pace the refs operate.

quote:

Blandino said that in his meeting with Philadelphia, Kelly didn't show any "overconcern" about these changes. "They had questions about what the parameters were going to be," Blandino said of the Eagles. "It's going to be different from college." Blandino said he didn't sense pushback from teams. He said he wanted every team aware of the mechanics that take place before a snap.


Doesn't seem like their is any concern about playing uptempo, just clarification on the processes of the refs.

The Patriots seem to be fine with the pace of the officials when they want to play uptempo.
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