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I can't drink poisoned water.

Are you sure?






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Secondly while not an opponent to fracking I do think we need to keep studying more wells and make sure we aren't going to ruin our own water supplies. I can walk to work if I have to I can't drink poisoned water
Clean groundwater is my pet issue. Lay people have almost no idea that cleaning up polluted GW can take hundreds of years, and had the potential to make entire areas uninhabitable.

Yet I'm not against fracking. At all. Not even a little bit. Because I know it is almost a physical impossibility of contaminating potable GW sources by fracking.

The gas station around the corner, or the leaky septic system your neighbor abandoned 20 years ago, the illegal dumper down the dead end road, or even the city sewerage plant are all MUCH, MUCH, MUCH greater dangers and more present higher probable risks to contaminating your drinking water.

If you want to be fearful of contaminated drinking water... you should be. But fracking isn't what you should be worried about.

And you should be weary of those playing upon your fears...



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oklahogjr
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But fracking isn't what you should be worried about.

i'm not overly worried about it but it's worth being sure of so investigate away and when we've got all the evidence that fracking isn't bad then there shouldn't be debate anymore.

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The gas station around the corner, or the leaky septic system your neighbor abandoned 20 years ago, the illegal dumper down the dead end road, or even the city sewerage plant are all MUCH, MUCH, MUCH greater dangers and more present higher probable risks to contaminating your drinking water.

Those are all things we should also be weary of and they happen at a larger scale than fracking so yea they'd definitely be more likley to contaminate.

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And you should be weary of those playing upon your fears...


Agreed.






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i'm not overly worried about it but it's worth being sure of so investigate away and when we've got all the evidence that fracking isn't bad then there shouldn't be debate anymore.
Funds and resources aren't unlimited. Maybe I'm just pragmatic. But I hunk we should be spending our precious treasure on combatting things we KNOW are polluting GW, and not diverting them to things that represent minuscule risks.

The reality is... The opposition to fracking had nothing to do with managing risk. It's about "getting" evil "big oil" by playing off of uninformed people's fears.

Does that strategy sound familiar?






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by playing off of uninformed people's fears.

Does that strategy sound familiar?


Cap and trade.

Keystone.

There are more, I just can't think of them at the moment.






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Forty percent of fracked wells have issues, so 1 study on 1 well means nothing.


That's not true...but at the same time to cite this study as a fact that fracking is completely safe with no failures is absurd, too. The argument isn't that frack water migrates through a mile of rock to contaminate drinking water, it's that casing failures allow natural gas to seep into drinking water. On occasion this has occurred, but not enough to warrant banning fracking.






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Forty percent of fracked wells have issues

was that ever linked?

i didn't see a link






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I know. I said "control" not seeping. Point is a mile or two of bedrock is a pretty solid barrier to ground water intrusion, no?


Well yes.

The asinine part is comparing the river levees at all to it. They aren't comparable in the slightest when the point of contention is possible contamination.






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was that ever linked? i didn't see a link



And it won't be. Another drive-by fricking liberal...drops a grenade (dud) and blows the joint






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Drilling fluids tagged with unique markers were injected more than 8,000 feet below the surface, but were not detected in a monitoring zone 3,000 feet higher. That means the potentially dangerous substances stayed about a mile away from drinking water supplies.

"This is good news," said Duke University scientist Rob Jackson, who was not involved with the study. He called it a "useful and important approach" to monitoring fracking

Interesting.
Was talking to an Oil Exec last week. He said oil companies had done this on their own in the past. Said there was no cross-contamination at all in their experience. Good for them, allowing independent confirmation.






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This is one well.



9, learn to read.






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nb4gasland3





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"This is good news," said Duke University scientist Rob Jackson,
Not for the Green Nazis.






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This is one well.
9, learn to read.
Pot meet Kettle


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The study, done by the National Energy Technology Laboratory in Pittsburgh, marked the first time that a drilling company let government scientists inject special tracers into the fracking fluid and then continue regular monitoring to see whether it spread toward drinking water sources. The research is being done at a drilling site in Greene County, which is southwest of Pittsburgh and adjacent to West Virginia. Eight new Marcellus Shale horizontal wells were monitored seismically and one was injected with four different man-made tracers at different stages of the fracking process, which involves setting off small explosions to break the rock apart. The scientists also monitored a separate series of older gas wells that are about 3,000 feet above the Marcellus to see if the fracking fluid reached up to them.






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This is one well.

Study ten. Then get back to me.

Shoot. Test them all. Are we worried about poisoning the gas?






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I'll start by saying i've drilled and fracked hundreds of wells all over the world. It's important to understand that every formation, field, well is different. In california we were fracking wells at low pressure that were 1000 ft deep into formations with no cap rock in place causing oil to sometimes ooze out of the side of a hill. In colorado wells would be extremely deep and take so much pressure to frac with such hard caprock that there was no way anything we getting to surface. Between creating a micro-annulus during cementing, losses causing top of cement to not reach target, etc. there are always cases where formation fluids could migrate into groundwater zones. this could happen with or without wells being fracked. I would never look at a study from one area and say it represents how all wells react when fracked.

When you start looking at what we do to these wells after they start producing and how different metallurgies react when different wells are produced and consider that not all companies operate responsibly you would understand that there are probably lots of cases where there are issues created by drilling and fracking wells. It's in the interest of most companies to design wells and frac properly for both production and reliablity reasons but that doesn't mean there aren't companies out there just running wild poking holes in the ground as fast as they can with no consideration as to how long the casing may be able to stand up to the conditions it will experience over the life of the well.

If the environmentalists want to complain about something they would have a better argument complaining about water/CO2 injection for secondary recovery. Mix those two and you get carbonic acid which turns a lot of the metals used to case off wells into swiss cheese. I spent 6 months trying to plug a bunch of wells in a water alternating gas injection field squeezing more cement into casing leaks than i ever thought could exist.






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Do these environmentalists know that they are being played like a fiddle?


The environmentalists are dupes of the Left, so, they are not hard to fool.







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there aren't companies out there just running wild poking holes in the ground as fast as they can with no consideration as to how long the casing may be able to stand up to the conditions it will experience over the life of the well.


I am in favor of sufficient FedGov oversight and regulation to PREVENT these kinds of destructive practices.

Also, I hope that our best minds are working on solving the acid problem that you described.

The environmentalists hate fracking because they hate all traditional modes of US energy production. If they had any balls at all, they would go to China and try to shut down some of the dirty coal plants over there. In China, there's some REAL pollution going on.






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The reality of secondary recovery methods like injection is that it is being done in wells that weren't initially designed for that type of stimulation. This is mostly occuring in existing fields where they are implimenting technology that didn't exist when the wells were drilled. I guarantee in the future you will see lots of problems with this type of practice. Most wells drilled nowadays are designed to handle that type of stuff but that doesn't mean that there won't be some new technology implemented in the future that they will start trying that the wells arent currently being designed to handle.





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JL
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I am in favor of sufficient FedGov oversight and regulation to PREVENT these kinds of destructive practices.


Issue here is that the people who work for these regulatory agencies are idiots, if they weren't they would be working for oil companies getting paid way more. Well design is a serious science and takes lots of experience and training. The dipshits working for the government have no clue what they would be looking at as far as a well design goes. It would be great if they could hire retired drilling engineers to do reviews of well programs but most of those guys wouldn't want to deal with government bull shite.






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