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Chad Ford Draft Grades
Posted on 6/28/13 at 11:33 am
Posted on 6/28/13 at 11:33 am
New Orleans Pelicans: B+
Philadelphia 76ers: A+
ESPN Insider Article
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Analysis: General manager Dell Demps decided he was done with the lottery on Thursday night and sent the draft rights to Nerlens Noel and the Pelicans' 2014 first-round pick (top-five-protected) to the 76ers in return for Jrue Holiday and the draft rights to Jackson.
On the one hand, I question this decision. Noel was the top-rated player on our Big Board and has more upside than Holiday. New Orleans also lost a valuable asset, a probable lottery pick in the 2014 draft, which will feature a collection of talent that looks amazing on paper. In fact, the Pelicans were the only team in the NBA to give away a 2014 first-round pick.
On the other hand, it's clear that Demps is under pressure from new ownership to get better now, and Holiday, who is just 23, is a great get. By putting him with Eric Gordon and Anthony Davis, the Pelicans will have the makings of a great young core that could compete for years.
Philadelphia 76ers: A+
quote:
Analysis: New GM Sam Hinkie came out swinging on Thursday night. The last thing Hinkie wanted was to be where the 76ers have been the past few seasons -- in the middle of the standings. So he blew up the team in an effort to build a foundation of greatness. He made the boldest trade of the draft and walked away with a potential franchise center, a very promising point guard and a valuable 2014 first-round pick from the Pelicans.
It cost him All-Star point guard Jrue Holiday, but in the long run it may be worth the price. With Noel possibly missing some time next season, the Sixers likely will be in the hunt for the No. 1 pick in 2014. By next July, this team could have four young players with franchise potential on its roster. In three years, it could be wicked good.
ESPN Insider Article
This post was edited on 6/28/13 at 11:37 am
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Posted on 6/28/13 at 11:34 am to MrWiseGuy
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On the other hand, it's clear that Demps is under pressure from new ownership to get better now, and Holiday, who is just 23, is a great get. By putting him with Eric Gordon and Anthony Davis, the Pelicans will have the makings of a great young core that could compete for years.
This.
Posted on 6/28/13 at 11:36 am to MrWiseGuy
Solid. I think it should be higher myself though. Ford is high on these draftees. That's his job.
Posted on 6/28/13 at 11:37 am to MrBlue105
Ford pretty much echoes my thoughts from the beginning. It's the rare trade that is a win/win for both sides.
This post was edited on 6/28/13 at 11:38 am
Posted on 6/28/13 at 11:38 am to VOR
I'm not seeing the star potential in Nerlens Noel.
Posted on 6/28/13 at 11:38 am to MrWiseGuy
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It cost him All-Star point guard Jrue Holiday, but in the long run it may be worth the price. With Noel possibly missing some time next season, the Sixers likely will be in the hunt for the No. 1 pick in 2014. By next July, this team could have four young players with franchise potential on its roster. In three years, it could be wicked good.
Or they could draft 4 busts.
Ford overrates the frick out of draft choices. Most NBA draft choices never amount to a thing. But that is his job.
Posted on 6/28/13 at 11:38 am to MrWiseGuy
I really liked the trade, but a B+ is fair. We gave up a lot of potential (Noel has the most potential in this draft according to a lot of people, and a 1st round pick in what's supposed to be a good draft), for a sure thing. I think getting Holiday is well worth the risk. Gotta give something to get something, and take risks.
I think it works well for both teams. They really didn't have much around Jrue, so at best they would be stuck at being a late lottery team with him. They now have the chance to start all over, with two lottery picks this year and at least 1 next year (if we make the playoffs)- although I think they screwed up the beginning of their rebuild by picking MCW
I think it works well for both teams. They really didn't have much around Jrue, so at best they would be stuck at being a late lottery team with him. They now have the chance to start all over, with two lottery picks this year and at least 1 next year (if we make the playoffs)- although I think they screwed up the beginning of their rebuild by picking MCW
This post was edited on 6/28/13 at 11:44 am
Posted on 6/28/13 at 11:42 am to MrWiseGuy
I just can't see McLemore every being more than a fringe star in this league, and that's years down the road. Especially with him on the Kings.
Jrue is a fringe star now.
I liked Noel, and agree he has a ton of potential, but I'd say there is a significant chance he amounts to nothing in the NBA. He could be a perennial all-star within 5 years, but he could also be an always injured undersized big man that never finds his place. I also don't think we even take Noel without a trade in place. So thinking about giving away Noel's potential is a non-starter for me. He probably never suits up in a Pels uniform regardless of if this trade happened or not.
Holiday >>>>> Burke. Fact.
DGAF about losing a pick in the 12-18 range next year.
Jrue is a fringe star now.
I liked Noel, and agree he has a ton of potential, but I'd say there is a significant chance he amounts to nothing in the NBA. He could be a perennial all-star within 5 years, but he could also be an always injured undersized big man that never finds his place. I also don't think we even take Noel without a trade in place. So thinking about giving away Noel's potential is a non-starter for me. He probably never suits up in a Pels uniform regardless of if this trade happened or not.
Holiday >>>>> Burke. Fact.
DGAF about losing a pick in the 12-18 range next year.
Posted on 6/28/13 at 11:43 am to mm2316
I don't think Noel has the highest potential in this draft. I don't see why people are saying that. He blocked some shots but he's skinny, with a small frame, and he's terrible offensively
Posted on 6/28/13 at 11:44 am to hendersonshands
I think it's more of a sign of a weak draft, but there are certainly other players you can make an argument for having more potential.
Posted on 6/28/13 at 11:45 am to JohnnyKilroy
Yup. Don't think we would have put Noel with AD in the end, they're too similar defensively. It was basically Mclemore and someone like rivers next year vs jrue 
Posted on 6/28/13 at 11:46 am to JohnnyKilroy
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I also don't think we even take Noel without a trade in place. So thinking about giving away Noel's potential is a non-starter for me. He probably never suits up in a Pels uniform regardless of if this trade happened or not.
And this. There never was any intention to draft Noel, regardless of "potential". To me, the only thing that is arguable is the 2014 pick. And, given the Pelicans' situation, I'd rather take the sure thing in Holiday.
Posted on 6/28/13 at 11:47 am to hendersonshands
I agree with that. I don't see him as some superstar player down the road, not even close. He can block shots, and he is solid defensively, but he has absolutely no offensive game. He is a poor, poor mans AD, IMO. AD has the frame to support more size and growth, he also has a very nice skill set offensively that will continue to develop, I really do not see that with Noel.
Posted on 6/28/13 at 11:49 am to VOR
Agreed.
It will be a bummer if we lose out on a 6-8 pick next year, but if we're picking in that range, we have bigger problems that likely wouldn't have been fixed with keeping Noel/Drafting Mclemore or Burke.
It will be a bummer if we lose out on a 6-8 pick next year, but if we're picking in that range, we have bigger problems that likely wouldn't have been fixed with keeping Noel/Drafting Mclemore or Burke.
Posted on 6/28/13 at 11:50 am to mm2316
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I really liked the trade, but a B+ is fair. We gave up a lot of potential (Noel has the most potential in this draft according to a lot of people, and a 1st round pick in what's supposed to be a good draft), for a sure thing. I think getting Holiday is well worth the risk. Gotta give something to get something, and take risks.
Best analysis yet
Posted on 6/28/13 at 11:51 am to MrWiseGuy
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On the one hand, I question this decision. Noel was the top-rated player on our Big Board and has more upside than Holiday
What upside? What are people expecting Noel to turn into? He's not Camby, not Garnett, not even Ibaka. and I don't see where his potential would even be close to those 3 guys. All of those guys can gaurd centers.
He's smaller than Anthony Davis. He can't gaurd any center in the NBA, nor most big PF with inside games. David West would eat his lunch.
Are people thinking he's going to learn how to shoot or post up with his tiny frame? In what way will he ever average more than 10-12 points a game? You can only get so many put backs and alley oops.
Seriously, what's his upside? a skinnier Ibaka? Ibaka developed a jump shot and got stronger.
What are people thinking he can turn in to?
Posted on 6/28/13 at 11:53 am to Fun Bunch
quote:Agreed. The draft is Ford's career, he can't help but overrate picks
Or they could draft 4 busts.
Ford overrates the frick out of draft choices. Most NBA draft choices never amount to a thing. But that is his job.
I also agree that both teams made a really good trade. But we got the only sure thing in the deal.
Noel's knee, frame, lack of offensive, etc. MCW sub 40% fg - sub 30% 3pt - sub 70 ft%. Horrible. All "what ifs" for him right now. Then a draft pick at 6+. Good luck with that
The entire trade is a huge fingercrossed situation for Philly
Posted on 6/28/13 at 11:55 am to MrWiseGuy
We can always trade back into 1st round next year. I'm ready to win now.
Posted on 6/28/13 at 11:59 am to JohnnyKilroy
quote:+1
I also don't think we even take Noel without a trade in place. So thinking about giving away Noel's potential is a non-starter for me.
JMO, but i think we would have taken Burke or Mclemore if we didn't have a deal in place with Philly
Posted on 6/28/13 at 12:04 pm to MrWiseGuy
With Noel and MCW the first 2 pieces of their rebuild, maybe they'd want to do a sign and trade for Aminu? He fits right into their model of can't shoot worth a shite.
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