- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
Why the hate on klinsmann?
Posted on 6/8/13 at 9:00 am
Posted on 6/8/13 at 9:00 am
Please summarize . I don't follow soccer too closely. Is it the results? Style of play?
7
Posted on 6/8/13 at 9:11 am to xraytech
I think generally people have problems with some of his lineup selections.
I really loved the hiring of him, but I can see where some could get frustrated with his moves.
However, looking at where we are right now...I think we're in pretty good position heading into this WC. He's done fairly well, but I hope that he and Donovan can rectify whatever the hell is going on between them...
I really loved the hiring of him, but I can see where some could get frustrated with his moves.
However, looking at where we are right now...I think we're in pretty good position heading into this WC. He's done fairly well, but I hope that he and Donovan can rectify whatever the hell is going on between them...
Posted on 6/8/13 at 9:57 am to xraytech
He's not a very good tactician. He does some stupid stuff lineup wise and he often times doesn't know when its appropriate to bring in which player. He's a good motivator with good ideas for shaping the future of the national team
Posted on 6/8/13 at 10:23 am to xraytech
I think the biggest reason is that he came with higher expectations than any of our previous national team coaches, said a lot of stuff at the start of his tenure about revolutionizing American soccer, still says passive-aggressive shite about many of our star players openly to the press, but in the end, the team looks very similar to how it did under Bob Bradley.
And while he has thankfully cut out Ricardo Clark and Jonathan Bornstein for the national team, he still makes inexplicable line-up choices himself. However, I would say he plays favorites less than Bob.
And while he has thankfully cut out Ricardo Clark and Jonathan Bornstein for the national team, he still makes inexplicable line-up choices himself. However, I would say he plays favorites less than Bob.
Posted on 6/8/13 at 10:31 am to xraytech
Roster selections, and he's a tactical novice.
I'm happy with the results though. Not very fond of how we got them, but I'll take wins any way I can get them.
I'm happy with the results though. Not very fond of how we got them, but I'll take wins any way I can get them.
Posted on 6/8/13 at 10:38 am to Meursault
The most impressive thing that's happened under Klinsmann has been our results against elite teams.
We were blown out at home by Belgium and Spain, but we beat Germany, we beat a fully equipped Italy on the road, we beat Mexico on the road for the first time ever, and we tied Mexico in a road qualifier for the second time ever. That isn't bad at all.
But other than the German win, we played exactly the same way we did in our upset win against Spain in the 2009 Confederations Cup.
We were blown out at home by Belgium and Spain, but we beat Germany, we beat a fully equipped Italy on the road, we beat Mexico on the road for the first time ever, and we tied Mexico in a road qualifier for the second time ever. That isn't bad at all.
But other than the German win, we played exactly the same way we did in our upset win against Spain in the 2009 Confederations Cup.
Posted on 6/8/13 at 10:50 am to xraytech
JK was screaming his arse off the whole game last night, keeping them moving and supporting players when they f'd up
I'm on board with this up-tempo stuff last few games
I'm on board with this up-tempo stuff last few games
Posted on 6/8/13 at 11:14 am to hendersonshands
quote:
He does some stupid stuff lineup wise
Surprised that he stuck with a lineup that worked last night.
Posted on 6/8/13 at 11:34 am to WarSlamEagle
quote:
Surprised that he stuck with a lineup that worked last night.
even more impressive...he used the same lineup 2 games in a row
i think JKs biggest issues, outside of pissing off some of our stalwarts, are just trying to re-shape how we play. round peg in a square hole stuff. we need guys who can play that style to emerge to make it effective, and add in constantly changing lineups and it's difficult to develop chemistry/rhythm in a new style of play.
we are still having issues in the final 1/3, and that's b/c we don't have a 10. that's not JK's fault, though...but if our offense isn't working, we will revert back to long balls to cut out that portion of the strategy
last night's bad play was not JK's fault, our guys just were passive and not motivated. they were affected by the swarm of jamaica's speed and just were out of it. i'll take an ugly road win, though. jamaica's goal was offsides, too
i do like that we are starting to used the same backline and midfield. they need to develop chemistry. dempsey needs to work to fit in though. he did not give half a frick last night
Posted on 6/8/13 at 11:39 am to hendersonshands
quote:
not a very good tactician
Yahtzee.
Posted on 6/8/13 at 12:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
This thread is so derp.
Posted on 6/8/13 at 12:33 pm to xraytech
We went out to hire a high profile, foreign manager and hired the most American motherfricker imaginable.
I do think that he has been instrumental in retaining a couple of the German-American players and hate is a pretty strong word.
I do think that he has been instrumental in retaining a couple of the German-American players and hate is a pretty strong word.
This post was edited on 6/8/13 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 6/8/13 at 12:42 pm to Keys Open Doors
quote:
However, I would say he plays favorites less than Bob.
Danny Williams spit out his coffee while reading this.
To the OP, check the other Klinsmann thread. I don't think we need to rehash this again.
Posted on 6/8/13 at 12:51 pm to xraytech
He would be a lot less looked down upon if not for what the Bayern player(s) said about him after he left.
Not saying he is a great tactician, but if he were as bad as people here make him out to be, the results wouldn't be as good as they have been.
It's not like he has had a lot of luck on the player front. Imagine the preJK era without Landon, for instance. He's had to form a group without some formerly key players all while continuing to qualify in an improved CONCACAF. He has scheduled and beaten big time friendly opponents and pushes players to improve away from camp.
It's been far from perfect and also far from a train wreck.
Not saying he is a great tactician, but if he were as bad as people here make him out to be, the results wouldn't be as good as they have been.
It's not like he has had a lot of luck on the player front. Imagine the preJK era without Landon, for instance. He's had to form a group without some formerly key players all while continuing to qualify in an improved CONCACAF. He has scheduled and beaten big time friendly opponents and pushes players to improve away from camp.
It's been far from perfect and also far from a train wreck.
Posted on 6/8/13 at 1:00 pm to Sheep
quote:
Danny Williams spit out his coffee while reading this.
I don't even know what direction you're going with this. Williams is a good player who has gotten a good amount of playing time but is behind Jones and Bradley on the pecking order, as he should be.
The only complaint I can see is that Klinsmann puts him into the starting line-up with 2 or 3 central mids, and that's dumb. But that's not playing favorites, just Klinsmann thinking it's better to play his four best midfielders at once instead of fielding four midfielders who all offer something unique to the game.
Posted on 6/8/13 at 1:31 pm to uway
quote:
Imagine the preJK era without Landon, for instance. He's had to form a group without some formerly key players all while continuing to qualify in an improved CONCACAF
yeah we have had a mini-generational shift on his watch that people seem to ignore/forget
our entire backline is basically being rebuilt on the fly. our wings are being completely replaced
we're also still looking for a 10, or at least trying to develop a strategy without using a 10
all while trying to completely change the offensive system to join the modern world
Posted on 6/8/13 at 1:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
People ignore it because our squad is stronger from top to bottom, and our quest for a left back appeared to be over.
The 4-2-3-1 that we have been playing these past two games isn't overwhelmingly different from our 4-4-2 under Bradley since Dempsey spends a lot of his time playing more or less even with Altidore and Fabian Johnson shares Dempsey's touch line allergy.
The 4-2-3-1 that we have been playing these past two games isn't overwhelmingly different from our 4-4-2 under Bradley since Dempsey spends a lot of his time playing more or less even with Altidore and Fabian Johnson shares Dempsey's touch line allergy.
Posted on 6/8/13 at 2:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
I have been very impressed with how quickly the new central defenders have adapted to their roles.
I was worried we'd be relying on 34 year old Bocanegra and a mediocre Scandinavian league defender like Goodsen in Brazil. It is shocking though how often our fullbacks have gotten injured this past year.
Our top 4 choices should be Johnson, Chandler, Cherundolo, and one of Lichaj or Spector. I blame Klinsmann for putting an out of place Beasley or a useless Castillo at left back, but his hands are tied otherwise.
I was worried we'd be relying on 34 year old Bocanegra and a mediocre Scandinavian league defender like Goodsen in Brazil. It is shocking though how often our fullbacks have gotten injured this past year.
Our top 4 choices should be Johnson, Chandler, Cherundolo, and one of Lichaj or Spector. I blame Klinsmann for putting an out of place Beasley or a useless Castillo at left back, but his hands are tied otherwise.
Posted on 6/8/13 at 4:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
I hear what some of yall are saying, but having the mls playing at a diff time then the rest.of the world could be a reason we lack chemistry at times. And i like seeing new faces in the line up. I think bob and bruce played favorites too much. I played against ricardo clark, that dude had no business on our national team.
Come 1 year from now, we could have a more stable line up. But guys, lets get real... our goal is still make it out of the group. Anything after that is just lagniappe. Obviously we had some think we werent even going to qualify, but i take that as the same of the doom and gloom LSU fans, except expectations shouldnt be the same for US soccer.
Come 1 year from now, we could have a more stable line up. But guys, lets get real... our goal is still make it out of the group. Anything after that is just lagniappe. Obviously we had some think we werent even going to qualify, but i take that as the same of the doom and gloom LSU fans, except expectations shouldnt be the same for US soccer.
Posted on 6/8/13 at 5:05 pm to dgnx6
quote:
I played against ricardo clark, that dude had no business on our national team.
His goal against Trinidad & Tobago may have been the difference between winning the qualifying group and a playoff with Uruguay.
And people have said the same thing about Eddie Johnson and DaMarcus Beasley in the last 18 months.
Page 1 of 2
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News