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Serious Star Wars Continuity Question
Posted on 5/6/13 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 5/6/13 at 1:26 pm
Okay, so we know Anakin knew Padme was pregnant. Then, we see at the end of ROTS, Palpatine tells Vader he killed her. (leading to that awful scream.)
Flash forward to A New Hope, Vader sees Luke in the Death Star, then chases him in the trench run even remarking "The Force is strong with this one." Then, in Empire, we have Palpatine tell Vader they have a new enemy, Luke Skywalker.
Why wasn't Vader like, "WTF? You told me she died, dick? Now I have a son? Anything else you want to tell me?" I get Vader not piecing together the Luke connection in ANH, but I don't get why he wasn't pissed in Empire. And you mean to tell me that noone involved with the production of this movie went, "Wait a minute, thats a pretty big error." Was Lucas that big of a dick?
Also completely ignoring that a civilization has invented fasted than light travel used by people who have mystical powers that can catapult them through the air and move objects with their minds but neither could figure out Padme had twins. They dont do sonograms in the old republic? Geeze George!
If the new trilogy kicks arse, how pissed will you be that no one wanted to stop George from getting in his own way with the prequels?
Flash forward to A New Hope, Vader sees Luke in the Death Star, then chases him in the trench run even remarking "The Force is strong with this one." Then, in Empire, we have Palpatine tell Vader they have a new enemy, Luke Skywalker.
Why wasn't Vader like, "WTF? You told me she died, dick? Now I have a son? Anything else you want to tell me?" I get Vader not piecing together the Luke connection in ANH, but I don't get why he wasn't pissed in Empire. And you mean to tell me that noone involved with the production of this movie went, "Wait a minute, thats a pretty big error." Was Lucas that big of a dick?
Also completely ignoring that a civilization has invented fasted than light travel used by people who have mystical powers that can catapult them through the air and move objects with their minds but neither could figure out Padme had twins. They dont do sonograms in the old republic? Geeze George!
If the new trilogy kicks arse, how pissed will you be that no one wanted to stop George from getting in his own way with the prequels?
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Posted on 5/6/13 at 1:30 pm to elprez00
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Then, we see at the end of ROTS
Padme die because her heart was broken. selfish bitch, you got twins to raise and their dad's a lunatic wizard. fight to live!
Posted on 5/6/13 at 1:30 pm to elprez00
you are digging so deep, you are about to eat fried rice.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 1:34 pm to elprez00
Meh, just forget that the NT exists.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 1:34 pm to elprez00
Vader knew about Luke before ESB. He was specifically searching for him on Hoth.
By that point, I don't think Vader cared that he was lied to. Even if he found that Padme was alive, he would have been as dismissive as he was when he found he had a daughter - just another tool to use to try to convert his prize son.
By that point, I don't think Vader cared that he was lied to. Even if he found that Padme was alive, he would have been as dismissive as he was when he found he had a daughter - just another tool to use to try to convert his prize son.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 1:35 pm to elprez00
Vader WAS pissed.
He wanted Luke to join him to overthrow the Emperor.
He wanted Luke to join him to overthrow the Emperor.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 1:40 pm to elprez00
Mr. Plinkett says it best. He couldn't possibly have fricked up the backstory of Star Wars anymore
Posted on 5/6/13 at 1:40 pm to elprez00
Didnt he tell vader that she died but not really say anything about the buns in the oven?
I dont recall vader asking, "ok. but what about the little vaders?"
I dont recall vader asking, "ok. but what about the little vaders?"
Posted on 5/6/13 at 1:41 pm to The Future
quote:This.
Mr. Plinkett says it best. He couldn't possibly have fricked up the backstory of Star Wars anymore
Posted on 5/6/13 at 1:43 pm to Dr RC
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He wanted Luke to join him to overthrow the Emperor.
I always thought that was an indication that, while he had turned to the dark side, Anakin was never fully committed. In the back of his mind, he knew what he was doing was wrong.
It happened to be a convenient plot device once the new trilogy came out. Vader should have been furious once he found out his son was alive.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 1:45 pm to Dr RC
The kids were a secondary concern for him compared to his wife. Which kinda makes him to be an even bigger douchebag then when you don't think about him not giving a damn about his child(ren).
Which is then topped by Anakin/Vader just wanting to use Luke as his apprentice to rule the galaxy.
Which is then topped by Anakin/Vader just wanting to use Luke as his apprentice to rule the galaxy.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 1:55 pm to elprez00
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Also completely ignoring that a civilization has invented fasted than light travel used by people who have mystical powers that can catapult them through the air and move objects with their minds but neither could figure out Padme had twins. They dont do sonograms in the old republic? Geeze George!
Because it was a long, long time ago...way before sonograms existed.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 2:16 pm to CocomoLSU
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Because it was a long, long time ago...
In a galaxy far, far away...
Seriously though, Padme dying like she did was pretty crappy. Why didn't he just kill her, post child-birth? They could have written that in there somehow...PG-13 to the fullest!
Posted on 5/6/13 at 2:19 pm to Dr RC
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Vader WAS pissed.
He wanted Luke to join him to overthrow the Emperor.
that's how i took it. i always thought that he was looking for luke for the emperor but as we learn about the rule of two, if luke comes in, someone's (btwn the emperor and vader) has gotta go. i took the search as two sided:
1) if the emperor could replace vader with a human who could fully manifest his force powers (lightning etc) they would squash the rebellion. kill your father and take his place.
2) if vader convinced luke, well we kinda get that sales pitch in the movie: "join me and together we can rule as father and son".
of course this is thwarted by luke who doesn't wish to join so the plan never woulda worked unless luke crossed over, instead vader grabs some humanity when seeing his flesh and blood get bolted by palpatine, and turns on his boss in favor of his son. with palpatine and vader gone, so are the sith (well i guess until the sequel sequels)
Posted on 5/6/13 at 2:21 pm to bbrownso
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Which is then topped by Anakin/Vader just wanting to use Luke as his apprentice to rule the galaxy.
Vader wanted Luke to help him overthrow the Emperor. I think the Emperor wanted Luke so he could get rid of Vader. Luke was a much more powerful Jedi than Vader. Plus, secretly, I always thought Palpatine knew Vader wasn't all into the dark side. Vader, at his roots, was not an evil man. Lucas portrayed Anakin as a deeply conflicted youth who was corrupted by his quest for power, despite the fact that his intentions where good. He went out of his way in ROTS to point this out. Therefore, if he found out Palpatine lied to him, wouldn't it call into question everything the emperor had told him thus far?
To imply that Vader was pissed and trying to convert Luke to overthrow the Emperor completely negates the throneroom scene in Jedi. If Vader was mad at the Emperor, why the final duel? Why threaten to corrupt his sister? Why not turn around at that point and go, "Really? Not only do you lie to me about my son, but my daughter as well?"
Posted on 5/6/13 at 2:29 pm to elprez00
One more thing illustrating why this works for the original trilogy but not the prequels: In Jedi after Luke turns himself in, he and Vader are speaking on Endor and Luke tells him that he still feels the good in him. Vader responds "Its to late for me, my son." This implies that Vader doesn't have a choice. That doesn't sound like someone who is trying to recruit his son to overthrow the a-hole who lied about his family. In the context of the original trilogy, it works just fine, because we dont know about Padme, and theres no reason to believe Vader has any external issues with Palpatine until he throws him into the Death Star reactor.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 2:31 pm to elprez00
Vader was too busy to care.
He was responsible for the construction of not one, but two death stars.
He was responsible for the construction of not one, but two death stars.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 2:32 pm to The Future
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Didnt he tell vader that she died but not really say anything about the buns in the oven?
Posted on 5/6/13 at 2:32 pm to elprez00
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Why wasn't Vader like, "WTF? You told me she died, dick? Now I have a son? Anything else you want to tell me?"
Well, I think the Emperor did think she was dead.
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I get Vader not piecing together the Luke connection in ANH, but I don't get why he wasn't pissed in Empire. And you mean to tell me that noone involved with the production of this movie went, "Wait a minute, thats a pretty big error." Was Lucas that big of a dick?
Well, Vader is pissed at the Emperor, and has been for a few decades now due to the fact that following him led to the death of his wife. Vader was very actively plotting on overthrowing him, but felt he needed Luke since Vader is basically a cripple now and can't take down the Emperor by himself. No one else would help Vader kill the Emperor since the Emperor is incredibly powerful and dangerous, and Vader is probably even more unstable and violent than the Emperor himself. The Emperor is much, much stronger than he is and I would take a guess that he could instantly kill him with his mind.
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If the new trilogy kicks arse, how pissed will you be that no one wanted to stop George from getting in his own way with the prequels?
Honestly, I hope they don't address a single aspect of the prequel trilogy, so once Lucas dies, someone who actually knows what the frick they are doing can go remake them.
This post was edited on 5/6/13 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 5/6/13 at 2:33 pm to JabarkusRussell
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Seriously though, Padme dying like she did was pretty crappy.
I always thought she should have survived and hid as a handmaiden to Bail on Alderan.
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