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Is Pixar falling off?

Posted on 4/27/13 at 10:24 am
Posted by bluestem75
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Posted on 4/27/13 at 10:24 am
I haven't been impressesd with a Pixar film since Ratatouille. I would say that they haven't released a truly great film since The Incredibles.

I simply don't understand all the affection for Up. I've never seen more people talk about how much they love the first ten minutes of a movie, but then never talk about how the rest of the film was a mess of non-sensical, ridiculous proportions. In fact, no one ever talks about anything but the first ten minutes of the film. It's like the other 80 minutes don't exist. I think it works as a more cynical commentary on how the older generation is imposing its will by co-opting the younger generation into going along with its hairbrained and expensive pipe dreams, but I literally yelled "Oh, come on!" in the theater when the dogs started flying planes.

Toy Story 3 was basically a rehash of Toy Story 2 and not anywhere close to being the best animated film released that year. How to Train Your Dragon swamped it in originality, storytelling, and technical excellence in animation. I only saw the latter on video and have been kicking myself for spending money on Toy Story 3 to see it in 3D instead of Dragon. (In response, to another thread--Dragon gets me every time at the end; just when I think I'm not digging the movie, I tear up at the resolution of the father-son conflict.)

This year's Brave was another disappointment. The story centers around an unlikeable, spoiled little girl who just about nearly ruins her family. Compared with Wreck-It Ralph, which was infinitely more entertaining, it seems other studios (DreamWorks and traditional Disney) seem to be out maneuvering Pixar both technically and artistically (storytelling, character development, etc.).

Wall-E isn't bad, but it's not Pixar's best and I won't even tolerate discussion of Cars 2. Speaking of which, given the number of sequels Pixar is rolling out, have they lost their touch for how they built their reputation: inventive, creative storytelling with original, endearing characters combined with technically superior animation?

Thoughts? Opinions?
This post was edited on 4/27/13 at 10:26 am
Posted by saintsfan92612
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Posted on 4/27/13 at 10:25 am to
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 4/27/13 at 10:28 am to
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Toy Story 3 was basically a rehash of Toy Story 2 and not anywhere close to being the best animated film released that year.

Not only was it the best animated film of the year but it should have won best picture. Absolutely fantastic movie.
Posted by sbr2
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 4/27/13 at 10:29 am to
This reminds me of Carson, but for animated films.
Posted by ipodking
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Posted on 4/27/13 at 10:29 am to
The Pixar fan boys are going to go off on you but I agree with everything you said about Up.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 4/27/13 at 10:37 am to
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"Oh, come on!" in the theater when the dogs started flying planes


What? The animated film about a guy in a flying house isnt real enough for you?
Posted by TigerMyth36
River Ridge
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 4/27/13 at 10:44 am to
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I simply don't understand all the affection for Up.
Not a fan of Up at all.

However the first few minutes always chokes me up a bit.
Posted by HumbleNinja
Ann Arbor
Member since Jan 2011
2997 posts
Posted on 4/27/13 at 10:47 am to
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What? The animated film about a guy in a flying house isnt real enough for you?



Came in here to post this. I wasn't too bothered by the flying dogs when the main plot of the movie is an old guy flying his house across the world with a bunch of balloons.

I loved Toy Story 3 and WALL-E. I was a very young kid when the first Toy Story came out and I felt the third wrapped up the series perfectly (despite rumors for a 4th) and it really resonated with me because I could relate to the character. WALL-E was an unique story that had me interested throughout.
Posted by MrFreakinMiyagi
Reseda
Member since Feb 2007
18947 posts
Posted on 4/27/13 at 10:50 am to
Pixar movies blow.

They haven't had an original idea since Monsters, Inc, and everything they've made since The Incredibles has been boring as all hell.

To be fair though, I have not seen Cars or TS3
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 4/27/13 at 11:18 am to
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To be fair though, I have not seen Cars or TS3

You'll change your mind. I enjoyed both (especially TS3)
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108098 posts
Posted on 4/27/13 at 11:21 am to
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I haven't been impressesd with a Pixar film since Ratatouille. I would say that they haven't released a truly great film since The Incredibles.


bullshite, because their 3 best films happened after Ratatouille.

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I simply don't understand all the affection for Up. I've never seen more people talk about how much they love the first ten minutes of a movie, but then never talk about how the rest of the film was a mess of non-sensical, ridiculous proportions. In fact, no one ever talks about anything but the first ten minutes of the film. It's like the other 80 minutes don't exist. I think it works as a more cynical commentary on how the older generation is imposing its will by co-opting the younger generation into going along with its hairbrained and expensive pipe dreams, but I literally yelled "Oh, come on!" in the theater when the dogs started flying planes.


The film is supposed to be absurd, but there's many other moments of brilliance and clarity in this film. In fact my favorite part of the film is probably when Carl looks through his memories between he and his wife, and he realizes he's been resisting the adventure that he and Ellie always wanted.

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Toy Story 3 was basically a rehash of Toy Story 2 and not anywhere close to being the best animated film released that year


It's actually more clarifying and diving far deeper into the universe that the first two set up. It wasn't a rehash.

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How to Train Your Dragon swamped it in originality, storytelling, and technical excellence in animation. I only saw the latter on video and have been kicking myself for spending money on Toy Story 3 to see it in 3D instead of Dragon. (In response, to another thread--Dragon gets me every time at the end; just when I think I'm not digging the movie, I tear up at the resolution of the father-son conflict.)


I like HTTYD, but its not on the same level as Pixar. It's not really original and tells the same story 90% of all the other Dreamworks films have: social outcast must save the day and then in the end the people who have bullied him rally around him and apologize.

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This year's Brave was another disappointment. The story centers around an unlikeable, spoiled little girl who just about nearly ruins her family. Compared with Wreck-It Ralph, which was infinitely more entertaining, it seems other studios (DreamWorks and traditional Disney) seem to be out maneuvering Pixar both technically and artistically (storytelling, character development, etc.).


Brave wasn't quite as good as I hoped and Wreck-It Ralph was much better. Brave seems more like a Disney film while Ralph seems more Pixar.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108098 posts
Posted on 4/27/13 at 11:24 am to
And Wall-e is probably one of the five greatest animated films of all time (certainly in the Top 10).
Posted by Carson123987
Middle Court at the Rec
Member since Jul 2011
66377 posts
Posted on 4/27/13 at 11:40 am to
I agree about Toy Story 3. It was much better than 2, but 1 is so far ahead of them that it's silly
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
31897 posts
Posted on 4/27/13 at 11:41 am to
Maybe you just don't like animated movies...
Posted by Froman
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2007
36203 posts
Posted on 4/27/13 at 11:43 am to
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This reminds me of Carson, but for animated films.




I like that Carson has bad taste in movies, but is really opinionated about it.
Posted by Carson123987
Middle Court at the Rec
Member since Jul 2011
66377 posts
Posted on 4/27/13 at 11:46 am to
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like that Carson has bad taste in movies, but is really opinionated about it.


I have bad taste?

Sorry you like shitty movies

I understand being called an elitist or a snob, or being told that I have standards that are too high, but to say I have bad taste in movies is just retarded and a bad attempt at a troll.
This post was edited on 4/27/13 at 11:55 am
Posted by WDE85
Member since Nov 2012
2161 posts
Posted on 4/27/13 at 11:55 am to
Brave was a dissappointment.

Every other movie you mentioned was fantastic. Even Ratatouille.
Posted by Carson123987
Middle Court at the Rec
Member since Jul 2011
66377 posts
Posted on 4/27/13 at 11:58 am to
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Brave was a dissappointment. Every other movie you mentioned was fantastic. Even Ratatouille.


This. Pixar doesn't make a bad movie. Do they have some that are head and shoulders above the rest? Sure. They don't make bad movies though, and they're always enjoyable
Posted by Gnar Cat21
Piña Coladaburg
Member since Sep 2009
16836 posts
Posted on 4/27/13 at 12:03 pm to
It's fricking cartoons dude
Posted by MrFreakinMiyagi
Reseda
Member since Feb 2007
18947 posts
Posted on 4/27/13 at 12:05 pm to
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they're always enjoyable

Not really.
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