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ironsides
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No, but the 20 years since NAFTA we've had historically low inflation. Correlation is not causation, but still.


Or it could be that they changed the way inflation was calculated about 20 years ago






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TigerPride10
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How about posting how much the Mexican exports picked up.


I hope that would do nothing but positively affect your view of NAFTA. Trade between nations does not have to be zero-sum.






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CollegeFBRules
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How about posting how much the Mexican exports picked up.


You guys are pathetic. Why does it matter that NAFTA has been good for Mexico as well? As was already stated, this isn't a zero sum game.






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Reubaltaich
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Why does that matter? We have more high paying jobs and our economy is bigger today than it was before NAFTA.


We need every job we can get.
We have record UE levels(around 16-18%, U6). Record food-stamp usage, little or no real growth in GDP, huge unpredented federal budget defecits($1 trillion with no end in site for years to come).
We need people in the work force producing and paying taxes, not sitting in their apartment or section 8 house waiting on a check every month.

Every body in this nation can't be a pharm-tech, an engineer, a programmer, a Medical tech...

Many in this country don't have the high education levels to attain such work.

We need lots of blue-collar type jobs for the masses that are sitting on the government dole(yep,we need to get people off the gubmint tit instead of incentivising it).

I say we can have both high-tech, high paying jobs and those blue-collar type manufacturing jobs at the same time.

It doesn't have to be one or the other.







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dominustd
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Dolts like you and TP 10 thinks it's "Free Trade" when it's not.

It's fools gold.






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TigerPride10
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I say we can have both high-tech, high paying jobs and those blue-collar type manufacturing jobs at the same time.

It doesn't have to be one or the other.


Well what's your 5 year plan? How do you propose we command the economy?






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TigerPride10
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Dolts like you and TP 10 thinks it's "Free Trade" when it's not.

It's fools gold.


Solid, informative post. Will read again.






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dominustd
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Solid, informative post. Will read again.


Look who is talking.

You and CFB think it's "Free Trade" but it's not.

Keep drinking the koolaid.






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TigerPride10
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"Free Trade" but it's not.


You're right. It should be more free and more open. NAFTA was a start, the Trans-Pacific Partnership will be great progress, and there is still plenty more to do.







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Roaad
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NAFTA is the great American Destroyer
I remember Ross Perot warning America about this very thing.

in 92


Ross Perot. . .Prophet






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SlowFlowPro
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Every body in this nation can't be a pharm-tech, an engineer, a programmer, a Medical tech...

Many in this country don't have the high education levels to attain such work.

We need lots of blue-collar type jobs for the masses that are sitting on the government dole(yep,we need to get people off the gubmint tit instead of incentivising it).

slash welfare/medicaid

eliminate the minimum wage

problem solved






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SlowFlowPro
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Dolts like you and TP 10 thinks it's "Free Trade" when it's not.

how is it not?

i'm no expert on NAFTA






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CajunAngele
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I'd love for YOU, of all people on here, to try to explain to me how NAFTA has failed. Don't go running to some partisan website to fill the thread with a bunch of links. Use that big ole brain of yours and articulate your view for once, rather than spouting off nonsense like you normally do.


First off all, just because I have a strong opinion on these boards and am female. Do not utilize this in your debate to assume my ignorance, as you clearly did. Nor should you dare assume I am always partisan. I despise both political parties and some punk pseudo intellectual kid, that was probably 10 when Clinton started this downgrade of America in 1993. Is not going to try to school me from their liberal college talking points they think they are so astute at. Nor will it work to post to me as inferior to your intellect just because I am not progressive and am a female. If I assumed these things about you, incorrectly; too bad, so fricking sad. I am giving you the dish you dealt.

I despise Obama and his actions and am wise and unfortunately old enough to fully realize what he is doing. More so, than some cocky punk, college kid.

There quite simply isn't the time to faux debate as you do with your one liner liberal teachings of faux intelligence of "gotchas". You have not "GOTCHAED" anybody with your progressive, fake moderate, crap. So posting the political news articles as I do, cuts to the chase; that a lot of wise adults on this forum GET. If you don't like it, too bad.

Prior to NAFTA, American corporations were not allowed to move their manufacturing overseas. Former trade protections prior to NAFTA made doing so very unprofitable. Business and corporations avoid workers comp,health insurance,unions,retirement plans.

When is the last time you had to call customer service for anything? Time Warner Cable, Direct TV , Citi Mortgage, just to name very few. And more likely than not you will hear a foreign barely understandable Indian voice on the other end.

NAFTA is the core cancer to our economic woes. NAFTA started the process of making stock holders and fat cats very wealthy while cutting the once good paying job that provided a good pension and benefits. Why pay one man good for what you can pay eight, overseas? The only political person that I know of that has ever spoken out on NAFTA being a cancer; somewhat like I have described, is Ron Paul.






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TheJacer
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Willfully ignoring points made about this "free trade" agreement severely lacking in its "freeness." Oh how smug can liberals get.

I can't understand why but I'll go ahead and feed some trolls:

The US economy isn't a free market anymore, hasn't been for a while. Leading up to NAFTA we increased regulations, increased regulations and increased regulations some more then suddenly we provided these manufacturing giants an out: NAFTA. Now they have true market freedom; they are free to go across the pond and produce their goods. Well there's nothing wrong with that I guess, I'm all for a free market. But then we get back to the fact the US economy has been regulated to death, and is infested with unions who, since the increase in regulations, have lost all purpose aside from ensuring wages and benefits not beholden to skill set or education level. Throw into that mix a global economy with China at the helm enticing manufacturers with incentives to move their operations and the ballsyness to guarantee the cost of production will NEVER increase. So never-you-mind NAFTA isn't actually a free trade agreement so much as its concessions to our competitors, we are 'interference by the state'ing our economy into the ground but you progressives are perfectly okay with that.

Progressivism: more of a problem than this thread meant to address.






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LSU Piston
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Prior to NAFTA, American corporations were not allowed to move their manufacturing overseas


Sounds like you are a fan of big government.






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cwill
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First off all, just because I have a strong opinion on these boards and am female. Do not utilize this in your debate to assume my ignorance, as you clearly did. Nor should you dare assume I am always partisan. I despise both political parties and some punk pseudo intellectual kid, that was probably 10 when Clinton started this downgrade of America in 1993. Is not going to try to school me from their liberal college talking points they think they are so astute at. Nor will it work to post to me as inferior to your intellect just because I am not progressive and am a female. If I assumed these things about you, incorrectly; too bad, so fricking sad. I am giving you the dish you dealt.


Holy. shite...you are using your gender when no one brought it up..that's...that's downright progressive behavior right there!!!

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Prior to NAFTA, American corporations were not allowed to move their manufacturing overseas. Former trade protections prior to NAFTA made doing so very unprofitable. Business and corporations avoid workers comp,health insurance,unions,retirement plans.


You want more government...perfect.

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NAFTA is the core cancer to our economic woes. NAFTA started the process of making stock holders and fat cats very wealthy while cutting the once good paying job that provided a good pension and benefits. Why pay one man good for what you can pay eight, overseas?


You are what you hate...unbelievable...damn liberal scum!






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TigerPride10
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First off all, just because I have a strong opinion on these boards and am female. Do not utilize this in your debate to assume my ignorance, as you clearly did. Nor should you dare assume I am always partisan. I despise both political parties and some punk pseudo intellectual kid, that was probably 10 when Clinton started this downgrade of America in 1993. Is not going to try to school me from their liberal college talking points they think they are so astute at. Nor will it work to post to me as inferior to your intellect just because I am not progressive and am a female. If I assumed these things about you, incorrectly; too bad, so fricking sad. I am giving you the dish you dealt.



1. I didn't know you were a female. I don't care. Your post history proves that you're pretty useless in terms of intellectual prowess.

2. I was five in 1993 . Yet, I'd wager that I know more about free trade agreements than you, considering, you know, it's part of my job.

3. I love that you accuse me of being some far left progressive when you are in favor of government control of the economy by way of protectionist policies.

Do continue though. You provide plenty of entertainment.






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SlowFlowPro
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NAFTA isn't actually a free trade agreement so much as its concessions to our competitors, we are 'interference by the state'ing our economy into the ground but you progressives are perfectly okay with that.

huh?

our standard of living will be too high for these jobs regardless of regulations

goods would cost more if we made them here



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cwill
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Actually, a lot of industrial manufacturing jobs are and will be returning to the US because of cheap natural gas prices...I've heard it referred to as the industrial renaissance of the US...despite NAFTA!!!! Free market at work.





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LSU Piston
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There quite simply isn't the time to faux debate as you do with your one liner liberal teachings of faux intelligence of "gotchas". You have not "GOTCHAED" anybody with your progressive, fake moderate, crap. So posting the political news articles as I do, cuts to the chase; that a lot of wise adults on this forum GET. If you don't like it, too bad.








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