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Complete Saints Draft History Under Payton
Posted on 4/21/13 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 4/21/13 at 12:18 pm
With all the talk of potential trades etc. I thought it would be interesting to take a complete look at our draft history. Here's a detailed look of each player we've taken by round and pick, and how we got them under Sean Payton. There are some gems from trades that people criticize (such as getting Carl Nicks as a result of the Sed Ellis trade with the Patriots), and Bushrod as a result of the Stallworth deal to Philly. Some big misses too like giving up a 4th for Matt Tennant. But overall, the Saints manage to do pretty well in the middle rounds. I also noticed they trade a decent bit of their later round picks for veterans.
(If I missed anyone I'll fix)
Round 1:
06: Reggie Bush(RB) USC- 2nd overall
07: Robert Meachem (WR) Tennessee- 27th overall
08: Sedrick Ellis (DT) USC- 7th overall (From NE for 10th overall, and 78th overall. We got 164th overall)
09: Malcom Jenkins (CB) Ohio St. – 14th overall
10: Patrick Robinson (CB) FSU- 32nd overall
11: Cam Jordan (DE) Cal- 24th overall; Mark Ingram (RB) Alabama- 28th overall (Traded 56th overall pick and 2012 1st rder to NE for this pick)
12: Traded 27th overall pick for 2011 28th pick Mark Ingram
Round 2:
06: Roman Harper(S) Alabama- 43rd overall (From Cleveland for 34th pick and (C) Jeff Faine)
07: Traded 58th overall pick to Lions for 66th (Usama Young) and 145th (David Jones)
08: Tracey Porter (CB) Indiana- 40th overall
09: Traded 45th and 151st overall for (TE) Jeremy Shockey
10: Charles Brown (OT) USC- 64th overall
11: 58th overall pick traded to Patriots for Mark Ingram at 28
12: 59th overall pick forfeited BOUNTYGATE
Round 3:
06: Traded to Houston in 2005 to select Jammal brown 16th overall in 2005
07: Usama Young (CB) Kent State- 66th overall (acquired from Detroit for 58th overall pick); Andy Alleman (G) Akron- 88th overall
08: Traded 78th overall pick to Patriots for 7th overall Sedrick Ellis
09: Traded 76th overall pick to Jets in 08 for Jonathan Vilma ( was a conditional pick, originally a 4th)
10: Jimmy Graham (TE) Miami, FL- 85th overall
11: Martez Wilson (LB) Illinois- 72nd overall (From Washington along with 2012 conditional 6th rd for (OT) Jammal Brown and our 5th rder); Johnny Patrick (CB) Louisville- 88th overall
12: Akiem Hicks (DT) Regina- 89th overall
Round 4:
06: Jahri Evans(OT) Bloomsburg- 108th overall (From Eagles for 99th overall pick and (DT) Hollis Thomas)
07: Antonio Pittman (RB) Ohio St.- 107th overall (Acquired from trading 123rd pick and 163rd pick to Texans) ; Jermon Bushrod (OT) Towson- 125th overall (From Eagles for (WR) Donte` Stallworth); 136th overall pick awarded to Colts for the signing of RFA (CB) Jason David
08: Traded to Jets for Jonathan Vilma (113th overall)
09: Chip Vaughn (S) Wake Forest- 116th overall; Stanley Arnoux (LB) Wake Forest- 118th overall (acquired from Jets for Vilma)
10: Al Woods (DT) LSU- 123rd overall (traded 130th and 201st pick to Cardinals for this)
11: Traded 128th overall pick to Jaguars in 2010 for 158th Pick (C) Matt Tennant
12: Nick Toon (WR) Wisconsin 122nd overall
Round 5:
06: Rob Nincovich (DE) Purdue- 135th overall
07: David Jones (CB) Wingate- 145th overall (acquired from Detroit for 58th overall pick)
08: DeMario Pressley (DT) NC State- 144th overall (From Detroit); Carl Nicks (OT) Nebraska- 164th overall (From NE in Sedrick Ellis Trade)
09: 151st pick traded to Giants for Shockey; Thomas Morstead (P) SMU- 164th overall (From Philly)
10: Matt Tenant (C) Boston College- 158th overall (from Jacksonville for 2011 4th rd pick); 163rd pick traded for Thomas Morestead
11: Traded 155th overall pick to Redskins for 72nd overall (Martez Wilson)
12: Corey White (S) Samford- 162 overall
Round 6:
06: Mike Haas (WR) Oregon St- 171 overall; Josh Lay (CB) Pitt- 174 overall (from Packers)
07: Traded 6th RD Pick for (K) Olindo Mare
08: Taylor Mehlhaff (K) Wisconsin- 178th overall
09: Traded 187th overall to Packers for 2008, 237th pick Adrian Arrington
10: Traded 201st overall pick to Cardinals along with 130th overall for Al Jones at 123rd
11: Traded 189th pick to NE for (TE) David Thomas
12: Andrew Tiller (G) Syracuse – 179th overall (From Miami for Reggie Bush and our 196th pick);
Round 7:
06: Zach Strief (OT) Northwestern- 210 overall; Marques Colston (WR) Hofstra- 252 overall
07: Marvin Mitchell (LB) Tennessee- 220th overall (From Atlanta in exchange for (OT) Wayne Gandy, we received (S) Bryan Scott); Traded 237th overall pick to Cowboys for (LB) Scott Shanle
08: Adrian Arrington (WR) Michigan- 237th overall (From Packers)
09: Traded 222nd pick to Eagles to pick Thomas Morstead at 164 overall.
10: Sean Canfield (QB) Oregon St.- 239th overall
11: Greg Romeus (DE) Pitt- 226th overall; Nate Bussey (LB) Illinois- 243 overall
12: Marcel Jones (OT) Nebraska- 234th overall
Some UDFAs:
06: Steve Weatherford
07: Pierre Thomas- Illinois
08: Jo-Lonn Dunbar- Boston College; Signed Garrett Hartley- Oklahoma midway thru 2008
10: Junior Galette- Stillman, Chris Ivory- Tiffin
12: Tavaris Cadet- Appalachian St.
ETA: Positions reflect what they were listed as when drafted
# of players drafted by position: (excluding UDFA’s)
QB: 1
WR: 5
RB: 3
TE: 1
C: 1
OT:6 (Evans and Nicks listed at tackles when drafted)
G: 2
Total offensive players: 19
DE: 3
DT: 4
LB: 4
S: 3 (White drafted as S)
CB: 7 (Jenkins drafted as CB)
Total defensive players: 21
(If I missed anyone I'll fix)
Round 1:
06: Reggie Bush(RB) USC- 2nd overall
07: Robert Meachem (WR) Tennessee- 27th overall
08: Sedrick Ellis (DT) USC- 7th overall (From NE for 10th overall, and 78th overall. We got 164th overall)
09: Malcom Jenkins (CB) Ohio St. – 14th overall
10: Patrick Robinson (CB) FSU- 32nd overall
11: Cam Jordan (DE) Cal- 24th overall; Mark Ingram (RB) Alabama- 28th overall (Traded 56th overall pick and 2012 1st rder to NE for this pick)
12: Traded 27th overall pick for 2011 28th pick Mark Ingram
Round 2:
06: Roman Harper(S) Alabama- 43rd overall (From Cleveland for 34th pick and (C) Jeff Faine)
07: Traded 58th overall pick to Lions for 66th (Usama Young) and 145th (David Jones)
08: Tracey Porter (CB) Indiana- 40th overall
09: Traded 45th and 151st overall for (TE) Jeremy Shockey
10: Charles Brown (OT) USC- 64th overall
11: 58th overall pick traded to Patriots for Mark Ingram at 28
12: 59th overall pick forfeited BOUNTYGATE
Round 3:
06: Traded to Houston in 2005 to select Jammal brown 16th overall in 2005
07: Usama Young (CB) Kent State- 66th overall (acquired from Detroit for 58th overall pick); Andy Alleman (G) Akron- 88th overall
08: Traded 78th overall pick to Patriots for 7th overall Sedrick Ellis
09: Traded 76th overall pick to Jets in 08 for Jonathan Vilma ( was a conditional pick, originally a 4th)
10: Jimmy Graham (TE) Miami, FL- 85th overall
11: Martez Wilson (LB) Illinois- 72nd overall (From Washington along with 2012 conditional 6th rd for (OT) Jammal Brown and our 5th rder); Johnny Patrick (CB) Louisville- 88th overall
12: Akiem Hicks (DT) Regina- 89th overall
Round 4:
06: Jahri Evans(OT) Bloomsburg- 108th overall (From Eagles for 99th overall pick and (DT) Hollis Thomas)
07: Antonio Pittman (RB) Ohio St.- 107th overall (Acquired from trading 123rd pick and 163rd pick to Texans) ; Jermon Bushrod (OT) Towson- 125th overall (From Eagles for (WR) Donte` Stallworth); 136th overall pick awarded to Colts for the signing of RFA (CB) Jason David
08: Traded to Jets for Jonathan Vilma (113th overall)
09: Chip Vaughn (S) Wake Forest- 116th overall; Stanley Arnoux (LB) Wake Forest- 118th overall (acquired from Jets for Vilma)
10: Al Woods (DT) LSU- 123rd overall (traded 130th and 201st pick to Cardinals for this)
11: Traded 128th overall pick to Jaguars in 2010 for 158th Pick (C) Matt Tennant
12: Nick Toon (WR) Wisconsin 122nd overall
Round 5:
06: Rob Nincovich (DE) Purdue- 135th overall
07: David Jones (CB) Wingate- 145th overall (acquired from Detroit for 58th overall pick)
08: DeMario Pressley (DT) NC State- 144th overall (From Detroit); Carl Nicks (OT) Nebraska- 164th overall (From NE in Sedrick Ellis Trade)
09: 151st pick traded to Giants for Shockey; Thomas Morstead (P) SMU- 164th overall (From Philly)
10: Matt Tenant (C) Boston College- 158th overall (from Jacksonville for 2011 4th rd pick); 163rd pick traded for Thomas Morestead
11: Traded 155th overall pick to Redskins for 72nd overall (Martez Wilson)
12: Corey White (S) Samford- 162 overall
Round 6:
06: Mike Haas (WR) Oregon St- 171 overall; Josh Lay (CB) Pitt- 174 overall (from Packers)
07: Traded 6th RD Pick for (K) Olindo Mare
08: Taylor Mehlhaff (K) Wisconsin- 178th overall
09: Traded 187th overall to Packers for 2008, 237th pick Adrian Arrington
10: Traded 201st overall pick to Cardinals along with 130th overall for Al Jones at 123rd
11: Traded 189th pick to NE for (TE) David Thomas
12: Andrew Tiller (G) Syracuse – 179th overall (From Miami for Reggie Bush and our 196th pick);
Round 7:
06: Zach Strief (OT) Northwestern- 210 overall; Marques Colston (WR) Hofstra- 252 overall
07: Marvin Mitchell (LB) Tennessee- 220th overall (From Atlanta in exchange for (OT) Wayne Gandy, we received (S) Bryan Scott); Traded 237th overall pick to Cowboys for (LB) Scott Shanle
08: Adrian Arrington (WR) Michigan- 237th overall (From Packers)
09: Traded 222nd pick to Eagles to pick Thomas Morstead at 164 overall.
10: Sean Canfield (QB) Oregon St.- 239th overall
11: Greg Romeus (DE) Pitt- 226th overall; Nate Bussey (LB) Illinois- 243 overall
12: Marcel Jones (OT) Nebraska- 234th overall
Some UDFAs:
06: Steve Weatherford
07: Pierre Thomas- Illinois
08: Jo-Lonn Dunbar- Boston College; Signed Garrett Hartley- Oklahoma midway thru 2008
10: Junior Galette- Stillman, Chris Ivory- Tiffin
12: Tavaris Cadet- Appalachian St.
ETA: Positions reflect what they were listed as when drafted
# of players drafted by position: (excluding UDFA’s)
QB: 1
WR: 5
RB: 3
TE: 1
C: 1
OT:6 (Evans and Nicks listed at tackles when drafted)
G: 2
Total offensive players: 19
DE: 3
DT: 4
LB: 4
S: 3 (White drafted as S)
CB: 7 (Jenkins drafted as CB)
Total defensive players: 21
This post was edited on 4/21/13 at 2:43 pm
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Posted on 4/21/13 at 12:24 pm to Zoltan
This shows why I hate when we trade up.
Honestly I haven't been exteremly impressed with the drafts under Payton. Mid-late round gems and Udfa is where they've hit.
Chris ivory was also an Udfa
Honestly I haven't been exteremly impressed with the drafts under Payton. Mid-late round gems and Udfa is where they've hit.
Chris ivory was also an Udfa
This post was edited on 4/21/13 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 4/21/13 at 12:25 pm to SaintLSUnAtl
Ivory is listed.. next to Galette
This post was edited on 4/21/13 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 4/21/13 at 12:26 pm to Zoltan
Yes he is. I missed that
Posted on 4/21/13 at 12:32 pm to SaintLSUnAtl
quote:
Honestly I haven't been exteremly impressed with the drafts under Payton. Mid-late round gems and Udfa is where they've hit.
I've actually always agreed with this to a certain extent. And I would attribute at least a little the uncovered gems success to having #9 as their qb.
Posted on 4/21/13 at 1:08 pm to Zoltan
Here's the thing though, besides the gems, none of the pics were considered reaches or bad picks. Meachem and PRob weren't the most 'reach picks' we've had. But most like Jenkins, Jordan, Bush, Wilson, Hicks, Toon, Vaughn and Pittman were all taken close to where they were projected.
Here's why I don't want to trade back though. None of those guys listed were projected to be game changing type players on defense. We have a chance to get one of those type players this year.
Here's why I don't want to trade back though. None of those guys listed were projected to be game changing type players on defense. We have a chance to get one of those type players this year.
Posted on 4/21/13 at 2:21 pm to Suntiger
What's interesting though is 2010 was the only year in which we did not have a pick that was the result of trading a player away. Additionally, we have used a lot of mid to later round picks to straight up trade for players: Shockey, Mare, Shanle, Vilma, Dave Thomas. We have also unloaded players at the right time, Stallworth, Brown. Makes you wonder, especially considering our cap situation, if any of the bigger contracts are still on the block under the radar like Strief (providing we trust others like Jones or Harris to fill the hole).
Posted on 4/21/13 at 2:31 pm to Zoltan
Man we've missed on so many DB's. I'm surprised to see how many we tried to nab, but few relatively panned out.
Posted on 4/21/13 at 2:41 pm to DrewSimp82
Yeah I know. CB has actually been our most drafted position:
** added to OP**
# of players drafted by position: (excluding UDFA’s)
QB: 1
WR: 5
RB: 3
TE: 1
C: 1
OT:6 (Evans and Nicks listed at tackles when drafted)
G: 2
Total offensive players: 19
DE: 3
DT: 4
LB: 4
S: 3 (White drafted as S)
CB: 7 (Jenkins drafted as CB)
Total defensive players: 21
Kickers/Punter: 1 each
** added to OP**
# of players drafted by position: (excluding UDFA’s)
QB: 1
WR: 5
RB: 3
TE: 1
C: 1
OT:6 (Evans and Nicks listed at tackles when drafted)
G: 2
Total offensive players: 19
DE: 3
DT: 4
LB: 4
S: 3 (White drafted as S)
CB: 7 (Jenkins drafted as CB)
Total defensive players: 21
Kickers/Punter: 1 each
Posted on 4/22/13 at 11:16 am to Zoltan
After six drafts, one thing is clear.
The Saints have the Best Offensive-Gem Evaluators in the league, & concurrently, the league's Worst Defensive Evaluators in their scouting department.
The Saints have the Best Offensive-Gem Evaluators in the league, & concurrently, the league's Worst Defensive Evaluators in their scouting department.
Posted on 4/22/13 at 11:18 am to LSUFreek
Sad but true
Posted on 4/22/13 at 11:19 am to goatmilker
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Sad but true
I don't concur, there's a ton of teams with a ton of defensive draft busts much more so than the likes of anyone not named sullivan.
Posted on 4/22/13 at 11:23 am to Chad504boy
We draft avg to poor on the def side. I like many of the FA we pick up for the Def though.
Its more stark of a divide because of the success on the off side of the ball.
All bad def picks? No. But it does seem we have more talented evaluators and scouts for the Off than our Def.
Its more stark of a divide because of the success on the off side of the ball.
All bad def picks? No. But it does seem we have more talented evaluators and scouts for the Off than our Def.
Posted on 4/22/13 at 11:24 am to goatmilker
quote:
We draft avg to poor on the def side. I like many of the FA we pick up for the Def though.
Its more stark of a divide because of the success on the off side of the ball.
All bad def picks? No. But it does seem we have more talented evaluators and scouts for the Off than our Def.
the statement was "league's worst defensive evaluators". I don't agree. So do you agree with me or him now? which is it goat? Which is it HUH?
Posted on 4/22/13 at 11:28 am to Chad504boy
In the spirit of our great leader let me say..." your both correct and the American people have made it clear that they agree we me".
Posted on 4/22/13 at 11:30 am to goatmilker
I spit at your face and steal your goat.
Posted on 4/22/13 at 11:31 am to Chad504boy
I have a free pressure cooker for you 
Posted on 4/22/13 at 11:33 am to goatmilker
quote:
I have a free pressure cooker for you
Posted on 4/22/13 at 12:47 pm to Zoltan
quote:
Round 5:
06: Rob Nincovich (DE) Purdue- 135th overall
Posted on 4/22/13 at 7:29 pm to OldSouth
right value, wrong scheme
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