re: PC Discussion - Gaming, Performance and Enthusiasts

Retailers are apparently offering refunds right now, so this is more of a gratuitous "make nvidia squirm a little" lawsuit.

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In the very least though, maybe Nvidia and AMD will learn not to lie about performance and specs again.

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We can also be assured that nvidia will never release a card with such a reasonable and competitive price/performance again.

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So, I've got my OC dialed in right now on my 4790k to 4.8 at 1.3v. Its stable, did 12 hours of AIDA 64 full suite, and 12 hours of XTU, and a few gaming sessions on 4-5 different games, and rendered a large 3D file.

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That's fantastic. My 4770K can only do 4.7GHz stable at 1.35v. Don't forget to get your ring/uncore frequency dialed in to somewhere within 300-400MHz of your core clock.

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What is driving me nuts is my temps. On AIDA 64 it gets up to around 81C (22C in the house), XTU gets to around 71C. I don't mess with Prime 95, and I did 5 passes of IBT AVX Max before temps hit 89 and I stopped it because I wasn't comfortable with those temps.

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It is definitely worth trying to mess with mounting pressure on the block, but I have the same block and I have full pressure on mine as well.

My 4770K, which supposedly has inferior TIM compared to the 4790K, could not even safely do an IBT run at 1.3v until I delidded. It would skyrocket to 90, 95, then BSOD.

After delidding, which gave me a HUGE reduction in temps, my IBT temps aren't exactly amazingly low. Here are my max temps after running IBT (Maximum) for 5 minutes just now:



Based on reviews I read a while back, the 4790K's improved TIM offered maybe a 5 degree lower temp vs. the 4770K. Some reviewers barely saw any improvement. Some reviews found the temp disparity to be lower as clocks went higher, and others found they stayed the same. Lots of variation, because every CPU is going to be different, from how much voltage it needs, to how much voltage it tolerates, to how hot it runs at a given voltage, to how much air is between the heatspreader and the die, to how much TIM is applied to the die.

If you consider my delidded 4770K hits on average 75C after a few minutes of IBT, and was hitting 95 prior to delidding, your non-delidded 4790K appears to be running about 6 degrees cooler. My CPU would be even hotter if it weren't cold as tits by this window right now.

I know it's frustrating to see such high temps with a water-cooling setup like that, but keep in mind IBT is balls to the wall insane when it comes to stress testing. I don't even recommend it for overclock testing because it's so unrealistic.

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After looking around online its pretty disheartening seeing people on air getting better temps at very similar settings (without delidding).

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And it took me a while to realize something about the overclocking community: There are a lot of liars. And just as many half-truthers, and just as many people who are too ignorant to accurately represent their load temps and stability. Use my temperatures as a gauge. I have no reason to lie, and I have full confidence in the performance and accurate installation of my loop.

Having said that, if you are still dissatisfied with your temps, I have a few theories/things to check:

First, looking at the pics of your setup, those angled fittings at your front rad and reservoir look very restrictive due to their sharp angle and small diameter at the inlet. But in theory, this shouldn't affect temperatures by more than a degree, if that. The superfluous front radiator adds restriction as well. I am not inclined to believe either of these things is drastically affecting temps with a D5 pushing water through it, but figured I'd mention it anyway as a possibility.

Second, consider the type of fans you have on there. I don't recall what brand/model fans you bought, but obviously you want high static pressure, so not your traditional case fan. You also need to pay attention to RPMs. Generally, thicker rads like the one on the front of your case will benefit from a higher RPM fan to move air through the fins. Your alphacool ST30 (I think thats what it is, same as my two rads) is much more forgiving, though. I have Gentle Typhoons on mine, usually sitting at 900-1000rpms.

Third, consider fan orientation. I'm going to assume that your front radiator fans are pulling air in, and your top radiator fans are exhausting air out. That's a pretty typical setup for traditional air cooling case, but if you have top air filters, consider turning your top fans around. If I'm correct about your fan setup, then your front fans are sending warm air from your radiator into your somewhat cramped case, mixing in with the heat from your GPUs (whether active or idling), VRMs (which are getting very hot under load, and don't get the same cooling treatment as your CPU), and other components. Then your top radiator fans are taking that nice hot air and sending it through your most important radiator.

And finally, monitor your voltage under load, even if you just simply watch CPU-Z. Just because you set it at 1.3v doesn't necessarily mean it's not grossly exceeding it under a heavy load. Load Line Calibration, vdroop offset, phase control, OVP/OCP, Power Duty Control, and perhaps other motherboard settings all influence temperature and voltage consistency under load. If any of that stuff is on auto, as well as your input voltage and your vring/uncore voltage, it may be worth revisiting to try to hone those in.

This has probably been mentioned here before.

I have AVG Free and when I try to play a game on Steam AVG comes up with a virus warning when try to play.

Can some help fix the issue. I just don't want to mess up my AVG and get a virus.

Thanks for the help.

One of Ubisoft's upcoming disappointments (The Division) has some rumored PC requirements:

Minimum Requirements :
Operating System: Windows XP / Vista
Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 6000+ / Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 2.66GHz
RAM: 3 GB
Hard Disk space: 20 GB
DirectX: dx11
Video Card: ATI Radeon R7 250 / NVIDIA GeForce GTS 450
Sound Card: DirectX compatible.

Recommended Requirements :
Operating System: Windows 7
Processor: AMD Phenom II X6 1100T / Intel Core i5-4430 3.0GHz
RAM: 6 GB
Hard Disk space: 20 GB
DirectX: dx11
Video Card: ATI Radeon R9 280 / NVIDIA GeForce GTX 760
Sound Card: DirectX compatible.

Surprisingly low even for the the recommended requirements.

30 fps on low settings. Doesn't get any more cinematic than that.

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My advice is to uninstall that intrusive piece of shite AVG and just use Microsoft Security Essentials.

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Or you can be like me and live on the wild side and use nothing. If you are smart about not even opening emails that you don't know what they are, pay attention when installing software and not install the extra crap you are mostly safe unless you are doing a lot of torents and stuff like that.

I have used Webroot SecureAnywhere for years now, always get it on sale for 2-3 year chunks.



Also, buddy got a Gigabyte 280X WindForce Rev2 for 130 off eBay with warranty. Crazy how low they have fallen with the imminent release of 3xx.

So how safe are Google's DNS servers? I had to switch to them because twitch was fricking up and it's because they are having issues with certain ISP's DNS servers. I started using Google's DNS servers and holy shite. My connection is really fast now. I'm just curious how safe it is and how many of you recommend doing it?

Ok that makes me feel so much better. I was cautious at first but man, my internet connection has gotten so much faster since I switched to it. It's incredible.

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DoUrden

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Are you playing SWGEmu?