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Uh, actually, you're not doing particularly well. Sorry.


Said the fool to the wise man.

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So where does the moral legislation stop?


Why should it stop?

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Frankly the constant emoticon makes it very difficult to take you seriously.


Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn what you think.







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Wouldn't you say that a lot of the results will be based on subjective matters.


A combination of the objective and, by necessity, subjective. That's the nature of all these types of judgments.

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Why are women overwhelmingly granted custody?


Originally, because the reality was that the bulk of women spent more time at home rearing children and the men were away from home working. Today that is less so. There is some tendency on the part of independent custody evaluators (child psychs, social workers, used in custody cases) to favor the mother having more time with the child when the child is very young (say, through toddler stage), but that is not absolute by any stretch.

As a matter of fact, today Louisiana law specifically states that shared custody (50/50) is the preferred arrangement if workable. It just doesn't work in many cases, however, depending upon either parents work schedule. And the law doesn't use the terms "mother" and "father"; it uses the term "parent" and "spouse".






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Or once I would hope the entire country would mimic LA.





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Why should it stop?


Said the extremist Muslim to his flock.






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So where does the moral legislation stop?

i can ask you the same thing on the flip side with regards to homosexual marriage

it's like i said yesterday

certain biological defects are punished (pedophilia, retardation, etc) harshly by society

certain biological defects are not punished so harshly (homosexuality being one of them)

where is the line? "morality" is why we punish pedos, and with good reason. there is a line, and i want to know where it is

polygamists? incestual relations?






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Said the extremist Muslim to his flock.


Society setting moral standards doesn't have anything to do with a particular religion said the wise man to the fool.







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certain biological defects are not punished so harshly (homosexuality being one of them)


your choice of words and meanings. you really aren't comfortable with the idea that some people are homosexual (you call it being "unemotional" )

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where is the line? "morality" is why we punish pedos, and with good reason. there is a line, and i want to know where it is


well, i'm not really sure where you want to go with it (first cousins, reduce the age?), but gay, consenting adults clearly fall within the acceptable range. you're talking about them as if their some sort of problem we have to deal with. their taxpaying American citizens, brah.






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your choice of words and meanings. you really aren't comfortable with the idea that some people are homosexual (you call it being "unemotional"

huh? what about that post made you say i'm uncomfortable around gays? i have a ton of gay friends, i joke with guys on here about gay shit, the mother of my godson is with a woman, and my former sig image on here was 2 gay guys kissing

i'm about as far from hating gays as you can get short of sucking a dick

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but gay, consenting adults clearly fall within the acceptable range.

obviously not to everyone. at best it's right at 50/50 nationally

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you're talking about them as if their some sort of problem we have to deal with.

they are people. their defects and choices ARE creating some problems. if they weren't, we wouldn't be discussing this issue and there wouldn't be a couple of big court cases going on

you don't like my choice of words, but i don't see how they're different than your beliefs. or do you think homosexuality is a choice, not biological?






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you don't like my choice of words, but i don't see how they're different than your beliefs. or do you think homosexuality is a choice, not biological?



My best answer is that I think it's some combination of biological, in utero, and/or very, very early childhood development. It's certainly not a conscious choice at puberty or adulthood. But I don't think it's accurate to refer to homosexuality as a "defect". An aberration from the norm, perhaps? But choice of words does matter when you're talking about human beings. Further, what the frick difference does it make when, by every other measure, they live their lives like you and me. Sure the flamboyant weirdos capture the photographs on Mardi Gras Day, or whatever, but most gay people just live their lives like the rest of us. There is no rational basis to prevent them from engaging in stable unions, marriages, or whatever that is recognized by the state.






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But I don't think it's accurate to refer to homosexuality as a "defect".

why not? by biological rates and evolution, it's a clear defect. that's just science

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An aberration from the norm, perhaps?

a trait that completely defies evolutionary practice is a defect

M-W defines it as "an imperfection that impairs worth or utility," so biologically/evolutionary, homosexuality is a clear defect

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Further, what the frick difference does it make when, by every other measure, they live their lives like you and me.

so do lots of other people with defects that we still regulate. what do you care if brothers and sisters marry, or a person has multiple consenting spouses?

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There is no rational basis to prevent them from engaging in stable unions, marriages, or whatever that is recognized by the state.

the same with incest, polygamists, the mentally retarded, and plenty of others who are restricted from marrying (at least legally. marriage is a religious institution and that complicates things)







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well, i'm not really sure where you want to go with it (first cousins, reduce the age?), but gay, consenting adults clearly fall within the acceptable range. you're talking about them as if their some sort of problem we have to deal with. their taxpaying American citizens, brah.


So according to you, as long as someone pays their taxes then society can't set moral standards that they must follow.

I'm sure you don't want to go there, brah.







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It's certainly not a conscious choice at puberty or adulthood.


Probably not in males but some adult women choose to become lesbians after being in many bad relationships with a man.

You can't deny that fact.

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But I don't think it's accurate to refer to homosexuality as a "defect".


What about referring to homosexuality as a mutation?

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An aberration from the norm , perhaps?


If you are admitting that homosexuality may be an "aberration from the norm" as opposed to a "variation within the norm" then you are admitting homosexuality may be abnormal or not normal.

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But choice of words does matter when you're talking about human beings.


Sure it does. We call certain human beings "men" and other human beings "women" for a reason. We call certain human beings "heterosexuals" and other human beings "homosexual" to delineate the difference between the two.

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Further, what the frick difference does it make when, by every other measure, they live their lives like you and me.


Come on, you're an attorney. You know the importance of words to describe differences in human beings.


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Sure the flamboyant weirdos capture the photographs on Mardi Gras Day, or whatever, but most gay people just live their lives like the rest of us. There is no rational basis to prevent them from engaging in stable unions, marriages, or whatever that is recognized by the state.


Sure there is. Society does not want our children to think that a homosexual relationship is as preferred as a heterosexual relationship because heterosexual relationships ensure our very existence and survival, whereas, homosexual relationships do not ensure our very existence and survival.









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at best it's right at 50/50 nationally


Then again . . .

58%

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58-percent


53%

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54% of Catholics

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M-W defines it as "an imperfection that impairs worth or utility," so biologically/evolutionary, homosexuality is a clear defect


Okay, so gay people have less worth or utility than straight people? The ability or desire to reproduce is how we should determine whether someone should be able to marry?






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Probably not in males


Congrats on at least that bit of reason.

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some adult women choose to become lesbians after being in many bad relationships with a man.


Maybe? I'm sure it's not unheard of. Doubt the actual number who permanently change their sexual preference is very high.

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If you are admitting that homosexuality may be an "aberration from the norm" as opposed to a "variation within the norm" then you are admitting homosexuality may be abnormal or not normal.



I don't have a problem saying it is abnormal in that sense. I've only maintained that it just occurs naturally (without some sort of conscious intervention). So what?

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Sure there is. Society does not want our children to think that a homosexual relationship is as preferred as a heterosexual relationship because heterosexual relationships ensure our very existence and survival, whereas, homosexual relationships do not ensure our very existence and survival.



Meh, this is a silly thing to worry about because it's not a real threat. People aren't going to "turn gay" just because gays are accepted.






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Then again...


You are happy to spout the results of those polls then bitch about the results of real polls like Prop 8 and the recent vote in NC to ban same sex marriage.






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DawgfaninCa
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Meh, this is a silly thing to worry about because it's not a real threat. People aren't going to "turn gay" just because gays are accepted.


The acceptance of homosexuality being promoting on TV, in movies, etc. and the feminist notion of the independent woman being superior to the woman who is co-dependant with a man will certainly lead to more homosexuality and bisexuality in young women.








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You are happy to spout the results of those polls then bitch about the results of real polls like Prop 8 and the recent vote in NC to ban same sex marriage.


Frankly, I'd like to see that vote take place again in California. It was a badly run campaign in 2008 by the opponents of Prop 8 from the get go. A bunch of amateurs who wouldn't take advice from the pros.

Regardless of how Prop. 8 passed, it’s clear from a look at current polling in the state that such a measure would meet a very different fate in 2013 than it did in 2008.

Looking at Public Policy Institute of California (PPIC) polling data, it’s clear that shortly after Prop. 8 passed, sentiment about gay marriage began to change. In October 2008, 50 percent opposed gay marriage. By May 2012, 54 percent of Californians supported same-sex marriage.

Stutzman, the GOP strategist, is candid about how California has changed since 2008. “Four years later I don’t believe [Prop. 8] would pass again,” he acknowledged.

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The acceptance of homosexuality being promoting on TV, in movies, etc. and the feminist notion of the independent woman being superior to the woman who is co-dependant with a man will certainly lead to more homosexuality and bisexuality in young women.



That's just crazy talk.






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Meh, this is a silly thing to worry about because it's not a real threat. People aren't going to "turn gay" just because gays are accepted.
"Turn gay" is a term loaded with stupid.
No one is going to "turn" from a Kinsey 0 to a 6, or vice versa. However, there is no question promotion and mainstreaming of gay lifestyle will encourage Kinsey indeterminates to join. Not making value judgement as to good or bad, just stating fact.



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