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re: LSU 68, Texas A&M 57 - Recap & SEC seeding info

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Posted by SouthOfSouth
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Posted by Cousin
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Posted on 3/7/13 at 8:12 am to
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SouthOfSouth
good analysis
Posted by SouthOfSouth
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Posted on 3/7/13 at 8:15 am to
If the season ended today (I wish)

Posted by Choupique19
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Posted on 3/7/13 at 8:17 am to
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If the season ended today (I wish)


That would be Johnny Jones' dream bracket.

keeping fingers crossed
Posted by GeauxFR2011
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Posted on 3/7/13 at 8:18 am to
Wow that bracket looks very winnable.

A Missouri upset of Florida would give us a good chance to play our way into the dance.
Posted by SouthOfSouth
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Posted on 3/7/13 at 8:19 am to
I wouldn't mind aTm passing up Vandy. I think we could beat them again. I think with the way Carmouche is playing defense, he can shut down any team that relies heavy on 1 player.

That's why I like my chances against Ole Miss.
Posted by SouthOfSouth
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Posted on 3/7/13 at 8:20 am to
I really like that missouri and Florida are on the other side. They both have big men that can give LSU trouble.
Posted by ROUSTER
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Posted on 3/7/13 at 8:22 am to
This team has really progressed lately.
A HUGE part of that has been the play of Mouche, dude has been a straight baller the last few games.
Bottom Line is that LSU is playing some good basketball. Actually losing to Mizzou showed that as much as anything.
If this team only had another interior player or 2 they could be NCAA bound.

Kudo's last night to ADP, Coleman, Hammink, and Courtney. With JOB in foul trouble during crunch time they were able to hang in there.
Posted by BigEdLSU
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Posted on 3/7/13 at 8:28 am to
This team deserves a ridiculous crowd Saturday.
Posted by SouthOfSouth
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Posted on 3/7/13 at 8:29 am to
I know I'll be there. Trying to get some buddies to come too.

Posted by Tigerfan19
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Posted on 3/7/13 at 8:30 am to
I drove from Houston last night to watch the Tigers, really surprised how small the crowd was for Senior night. I was glad SOS would talk about the offense the last 4 minutes, when we let carmouche handle the ball while spreading 4 wide on the baseline. It looks like he is the true leader when i thought Hickey/JOB III would be in that role. It was good we adjusted to the matchup the heavier Turner really killed us on the glass and with put backs, and moved JOB off his spot at times. CJJ took the ball and put it in our best play makers hand and we dropped the hammer on them Aggies. Hickey didn't have one of his better games and JOB was in foul trouble this shows how much we've matured as a team since the beginning of the year. We would not have won this game in the beginning of SEC play. Go to Hell Ole Miss, Geaux Tigers!
Posted by mmcgrath
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Posted on 3/7/13 at 8:58 am to
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LSU 68, Texas A&M 57 - Recap & SEC seeding info


One thing that I didn't see mentioned but that I have to give props to is Hickey's lack of shots, especially in the first half last night. He only took 1 shot (a make) that I am aware of in the first half and his ability to show more control will be very important to the team in the tournament and next year. I especially have to give him props as I have not been his biggest fan this year due to his shot selection. With better selection I think he could shoot close to 50% next year.

Now if only we could control the urge to go Loyola Marymount hoisting up 3's when we get a 14 point lead in the second half.


As for cJJ, I thought his substitutions in the 1st half were bad. Loved his move to the press 5 minutes into the 2nd half. Caught the Aggies off guard. Surprised I didn't see some of the zone last night.
Posted by SouthOfSouth
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Posted on 3/7/13 at 9:05 am to
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One thing that I didn't see mentioned but that I have to give props to is Hickey's lack of shots, especially in the first half last night. He only took 1 shot (a make) that I am aware of in the first half and his ability to show more control will be very important to the team in the tournament and next year. I especially have to give him props as I have not been his biggest fan this year due to his shot selection. With better selection I think he could shoot close to 50% next year.


I think we need Hickey to score for us to win the SEC Tournament. But he needs to take good shots. Last night he didn't have many opportunities to take shots and he didn't force things. That is good, but he needs to be able to get shots off.


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Now if only we could control the urge to go Loyola Marymount hoisting up 3's when we get a 14 point lead in the second half.


LSU Struggles when JOB is on the bench. We only took 18 three pointers last night so I won't complain about that at all.

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As for cJJ, I thought his substitutions in the 1st half were bad. Loved his move to the press 5 minutes into the 2nd half. Caught the Aggies off guard. Surprised I didn't see some of the zone last night.


Im not aware of any bad substitution patters? details? I agree the press worked very well. As for the zone, I just don't think LSU plays a zone very well. We use pressure on the ball so much when we are in man to man but they don't bring that intensity to the zone. Until they can bring the intensity to a zone defense, I think we are better out of it.
Posted by TXGunslinger10
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Posted on 3/7/13 at 9:10 am to
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Until they can bring the intensity to a zone defense, I think we are better out of it.


If I'm not mistaken, we got out of the press and went to a 2-3 zone when A&M made that run to get back within 4.

Posted by SouthOfSouth
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Posted on 3/7/13 at 9:12 am to
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If I'm not mistaken, we got out of the press and went to a 2-3 zone when A&M made that run to get back within 4.


I don't remmeber us in a zone for very long. I know for a couple possessions we did that 3/4 court 2-3 extended zone. Its crazy how much better they play when they extend the zone. Active hands and quick feet.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
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Posted on 3/7/13 at 9:19 am to
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I think we need Hickey to score for us to win the SEC Tournament. But he needs to take good shots. Last night he didn't have many opportunities to take shots and he didn't force things. That is good, but he needs to be able to get shots off.


More good opportunities will come when they other guys get going with increased opportunities. No-one else was getting anything done when Hickey and Stringer were spitting 25+ shots. I don't see any reason why Hickey should take more than 8 shots a game unless he has already made 7 of them... even then I question it.

I think that Hammink and even Stringer will start to improve with the increased opportunities. ADP too if they throw to him on the low post a few times like last night.

Posted by LSUfanaddict
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Posted on 3/7/13 at 9:40 am to
This team has really improved over the course of the season. They really need a raucous crowd to lift them Saturday. I believe the NCAA Tournament is even still in sight.
Posted by DrakeLSU
Kansas
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Posted on 3/7/13 at 9:46 am to
Wish I could be there. Would love to have been at the basketball games this year. We may look back in a few years and say that was the turning point for LSU basketball for the next few years. I don't expect to win the SEC outright every year, but competing for it and getting to the dance regularly would be nice.
Posted by Tom Bronco
Austin, TX
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 3/7/13 at 11:35 am to
I think the difference in Carmouche is all mental. For a while there during the season he was very careless with the ball and making bad decisions. Most of the team was that way actually. Playing without intensity until they got way behind. Not paying attention to the ball or what was happening.

Watching the replay from last night I saw a Carmouche that was intent, determined, totally alert and focused like a razor. With his leadership the rest of the team, for the most part, was the same way. Kept their focus and were very business like in the way they kept to the game plan on offense and defense. They didn't get frustrated when A&M slowed the game down and played tight defense.

This is winning basketball. Learn where your strengths are and then play to them. For instance, we still moved the offense through JOB although he wasn't having a great scoring game. By doing that we forced the Aggies to pay attention to him and it freed up our other guys.

The furture is bright. You better wear shades!
Posted by Nuts4LSU
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Posted on 3/7/13 at 12:12 pm to
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If LSU ended up in a three way tie with UGA and Arkansas, LSU would get the second best seed of the three, behind Arkansas.


How does that work? It doesn't make sense that, in a 3 way tie, we'd be behind the team we beat and ahead of the team that beat us. Arkansas beat Georgia, so head-to-head would not settle it as we would each be 1-1 against the other two. What are the tiebreakers after head-to-head that would lead to this surprising result? Since you mentioned that the #6 seed is out of reach even though we could end up in a 3 way tie for 6th with Arkie and Tennessee, which also lost to Arkie but beat us, I'm assuming the tiebreakers after head-to-head would also knock us out in that scenario.

ETA: I looked up the old tiebreaker procedure (before last year's expansion), and it looks like the next tiebreaker after head-to-head is winning percentage vs. the #1 seed.

In this case, Arkie would win a 3 way tie with LSU and UGa because they went 1-1 vs. Florida, while LSU went 0-1 and UGa went 0-2. That explains how Arkie wins, but doesn't explain how we get seeded ahead of UGa with the same winning percentage (.000) against Florida and a head-to-head loss to Georgia.

Also, I see now why Tennessee's win knocks us out of the #6 seed. They beat us, so they win a 2 way tie against us. They went 1-0 vs. Florida, so they win a 3 way tie with Arkie and LSU. Georgia went 2-0 vs. Tennessee, so in a 3 way tie among LSU, Tennessee and UGa, or a 4 way tie among Tennessee, Arkie, LSU and UGa, Georgia would win it on head-to-head.

Still, though, what I'm not clear on is, once they determine who wins the highest seed among the tied teams in the above scenarios, how do they break the remaining tie(s) to determine the next highest? Obviously, they must not revert to the 2-team tiebreaker if LSU would be seeded ahead of Georgia after Arkie wins the 3 way tie, so what do they do?
This post was edited on 3/7/13 at 12:47 pm
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