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| Saints Best and Worst Value Players (Posted on 3/3/13 at 3:59 pm)
so good from PFF that here's the whole thing-
Undervalued (more than earning their pay)
1. Brian De La Puente, Center
In 2011 the Saints signed Olin Kreutz to be their center. That experiment failed quickly, and this former undrafted rookie took over. De La Puente played well enough in 2011 to keep the starting job in 2012 where he broke out as one of the better centers in the league. His 16 total pressures allowed was above average for centers, and his +13.6 run block rating was seventh-best. When you can get one of the best centers in the league for the veteran minimum, you’ve got yourself a deal.
2012 Cap Hit: $540k
2012 Performance Based Value: $4.8m
Value Differential: +$4.2m
--Kromer really had these guys maxed to their abilities. Hope Ingalls can do nearly as well.
2. Jimmy Graham, Tight End
Even though Graham didn’t have the same season in 2012 as he did in 2011, it was still a decent one. His 15 dropped passes was way too high, but he still maintained a 64.9% catch rate on the year with 11.6 yards per catch. He was a productive tight end playing on a third-round rookie contract.
2012 Cap Hit: $710k
2012 Performance Based Value: $4.9m
Value Differential: +$4.2m
--his payday is gonna come big time
3. Pierre Thomas, Halfback
The Saints have a very crowded backfield so it might be easy to forget about Pierre Thomas, who played in only 37.2% of snaps. He played far too well in those snaps for us to ignore him. He had 19 players miss tackles on him over his 105 carries, and had a high 86.7% catch rate. He wasn’t penalized on the year and was a good blocker, which means he basically does everything right.
2012 Cap Hit: $2.3m
2012 Performance Based Value: $6.0m
Value Differential: +$3.7m
--what a great teamer guy, always does well no matter how much or little is asked of him
4. Drew Brees, QB – Cap: $10.4m, PBV: $13.7m, Value Differential: +$3.3m
5. Lance Moore, WR – Cap: $2.3m, PBV: $4.5m, Value Differential: +$2.2m
6. Ben Grubbs, G – Cap: $2.7m, PBV: $4.9m, Value Differential: +$2.2m
7. Akiem Hicks, DT – Cap: $530k, PBV: $2.5m, Value Differential: +$1.9m
8. Junior Galette, DE – Cap: $550k, PBV: $2.3m, Value Differential: +$1.7m
9. Jahri Evans, G – Cap: $3.4m, PBV: $4.9m, Value Differential: +$1.5m
10. Tom Johnson, DT – Cap: $490k, PBV: $1.9m, Value Differential: +$1.4m
Overvalued (the slackers)
1. Sedrick Ellis, Defensive Tackle
A clear case where the NFL’s old rookie scale didn’t work so well, Ellis is in the last year of his five-year rookie contract and didn’t play up to it. He rushed the passer 412 times and couldn’t come up with a sack. He had just four stops over the last eight weeks as well. While there are certainly plenty of worse defensive tackles in the league, Ellis just wasn’t worth anywhere near $7 million.
2012 Cap Hit: $7.6m
2012 Performance Based Value: $1.0m
Value Differential: -$6.5m
--think I calculated over his career here that he got paid $188,000 per tackle
2. Roman Harper, Safety
There are three key numbers when judging safeties that Harper doesn’t fare well in. His catch rate allowed is 70.8%, his yards per catch allowed is 14.4 and he had 12 missed tackles on the year. Put all of that together and you have a safety that is far below average, yet still has two years on his contract where he will be paid like a very good safety.
2012 Cap Hit: $6.4m
2012 Performance Based Value: $920k
Value Differential: -$5.4m
--why many wouldn't be disappointed if he was cut
3. Jermon Bushrod, Offensive Tackle
He allowed only four sacks in 2012, which is decent for a tackle, but his 58 total pressures allowed was the second-most among his peers. He at least is a good run blocker and was penalized only six times on his 1130 snaps, which made him worth a bit more than the veteran minimum, but he was worth nowhere near $6.9 million.
2012 Cap Hit: $6.9m
2012 Performance Based Value: $2.0m
Value Differential: -$4.9m
--why we don't wanna see an overpaid contract to him
4. Will Smith, DE – Cap: $5.3m, PBV: $970k, Value Differential: -$4.4m
5. Jonathan Vilma, LB – Cap: $4.9m, PBV: $830k, Value Differential: -$4.1m
6. Devery Henderson, WR – Cap: $3.6m, PBV: $830k, Value Differential: -$2.8m
7. Jabari Greer, CB – Cap: $4.6m, PBV: $2.1m, Value Differential: -$2.5m
8. Malcolm Jenkins, S – Cap: $2.7m, PBV: $780k, Value Differential: -$1.9m
9. Scott Shanle, OLB* – Cap: $2.3m, PBV: $930k, Value Differential: -$1.3m
10. Zach Strief, T – Cap: $2.4m, PBV: $1.2m, Value Differential: -$1.2m
Summary – Team Value Differential: -7.9m
The Saints are an interesting case with a great offense and poor defense, yet there are players making a lot of money on both sides of the ball. This has led to a lot of their offensive players being undervalued and a lot of their defensive players being overvalued. Those overvalued big name players on defense put the team in the red.
--It may not be total rebuilding from scratch for D but change has to happen- sooner rather than later.
This post was edited on 3/3 at 8:30 pm
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LaBornNRaised
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| re: Saints Best and Worst Value Players (Posted on 3/3/13 at 4:09 pm to blueslover)
Its a cool stat that is backed up by numbers but we dont need it to tell us our D sucks and they are all over paid.
Pretty telling though with amount of D players we have that are over valued.
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| re: Saints Best and Worst Value Players (Posted on 3/3/13 at 4:14 pm to blueslover)
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4. Will Smith, DE – Cap: $5.3m, PBV: $970k, Value Differential: -$4.4m
Damn...those people value Smith just about as highly as I do. 
Might be a lot bigger number behind that minus sign next year without a big pay cut or cut period.
Good Info.
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blueslover
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| re: Saints Best and Worst Value Players (Posted on 3/3/13 at 4:15 pm to LaBornNRaised)
how bout D players compared...
Hicks +$1.9mil, Ellis -$6.5mil
and why was it we were screaming to bench Fatass and let the rookie get reps?
Galette $+1.7mil, Will Smith -$4.4mil
had to be an essential cog in Payton's decision to go 3-4
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| re: Saints Best and Worst Value Players (Posted on 3/3/13 at 4:21 pm to blueslover)
Would not hurt me a bit to see 4or5 of those over-valued players gone next year. spags didnt have the nuts to make the personnel changes.
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| re: Saints Best and Worst Value Players (Posted on 3/3/13 at 4:40 pm to blueslover)
No way jimmy not 1
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| re: Saints Best and Worst Value Players (Posted on 3/3/13 at 4:58 pm to Chad504boy)
I'm surprised Thomas isn't higher. Guy is fantastic.
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| re: Saints Best and Worst Value Players (Posted on 3/3/13 at 4:59 pm to Jcorye1)
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| re: Saints Best and Worst Value Players (Posted on 3/3/13 at 5:05 pm to Hoodoo Man)
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| re: Saints Best and Worst Value Players (Posted on 3/3/13 at 5:06 pm to Chad504boy)
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No way jimmy not 1
I agree
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| re: Saints Best and Worst Value Players (Posted on 3/3/13 at 5:06 pm to Hoodoo Man)
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| re: Saints Best and Worst Value Players (Posted on 3/3/13 at 5:10 pm to Sho Nuff)
...I just wanted to use that gif.
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| re: Saints Best and Worst Value Players (Posted on 3/3/13 at 6:11 pm to blueslover)
Thanks for posting as always blues. Great read 
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| re: Saints Best and Worst Value Players (Posted on 3/3/13 at 6:18 pm to blueslover)
Thanks for posting as always blues. Great read
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| re: Saints Best and Worst Value Players (Posted on 3/3/13 at 7:53 pm to Hoodoo Man)
We need to find a spot for that gif in the game threads.
Are you still designated game thread starter?
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| re: Saints Best and Worst Value Players (Posted on 3/3/13 at 8:32 pm to blueslover)
I can't say I disagree with who is overpaid and who is underpaid.
I do disagree with Jenkins. I really think he was misused by Spags. He was good his first year. Solid the next year and bad last year. Spags 'system' was the difference IMO.
Greer is good too. Every CB is beat, but he's our #1 CB and a good one.
And major props to DLP. I was worried about him when he started, but I've been pleasantly surprised by him.
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| re: Saints Best and Worst Value Players (Posted on 3/3/13 at 8:45 pm to Suntiger)
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I do disagree with Jenkins. I really think he was misused by Spags.
Harper was back in coverage a lot more than he ever had been if I'm not mistaken too. There were a lot of things that didn't seem to make sense.
I think the play of the DB's dropped off a little after Dennis Allen left in 2010. It just seemed like he got more out of the group. I remember when the secondary was banged up a few years ago when we played the Steelers on Halloween but they all played pretty well despite that.
plus both Jenkins and Harper were exposed a lot more this year because of the awful run defense. Even when guys like Bush and Quddus got to play, that didn't change. Their play against the pass looked good but they weren't any better in run support than Jenkins or Harper IMO.
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| re: Saints Best and Worst Value Players (Posted on 3/3/13 at 9:02 pm to Suntiger)
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I do disagree with Jenkins. I really think he was misused by Spags. He was good his first year. Solid the next year and bad last year. Spags 'system' was the difference IMO.
I don't think the system had anything to do with Jenkins' horrible tackling
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| re: Saints Best and Worst Value Players (Posted on 3/3/13 at 9:08 pm to Birdie King)
I believe so.
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| re: Saints Best and Worst Value Players (Posted on 3/3/13 at 9:26 pm to Melvin)
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I don't think the system had anything to do with Jenkins' horrible tackling
I think he needs a smaller area, which is why I think he needs to move back to corner. I saw enough from IAQ to feel comfortable about him being the starting FS. The only bad play I can remember is Dez Bryant stiff arming him on his way to the endzone. At least he had the right angle.
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