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MrCarton
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The point is that universities wouldn't be able to do nearly as much research without government grants.


Found this quote for you:
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Harvard University has begun to focus more on partnerships with private industry to fund science research, as the federal budget is expected to remain flat or decline in the coming years.

Harvard received about 6 percent of its operating revenue from federal agency grants in 2010, of which a large majority went toward science. But with the federal government facing looming deficits and the Republicans now in control of the House of Representatives, the University must prepare for a potential decline in those funds, according to University Provost Steven E. Hyman.

“While we continue to advocate for government funding of science…taking a clear eyed look at the domestic discretionary budget, we have to accelerate our attempts to diversify funding sources for scientific endeavors,” Hyman said in an interview Monday. “It’s important that we develop effective models of industrial sponsorship.”






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PrimeTime Money
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How is building the first airplane even remotely comparable to building a space ship and launching it to the moon just to see what's going on up there?


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Bayou Sam
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"Recent research has shown that empirical evidence for globalization of corporate innovation is very limited and as a corollary the market for technologies is shrinking. As a world leader, it's important for America to provide systematic research grants for our scientists. I believe strongly there will always be a need for us to have a well-articulated innovation policy with emphasis on human resource development."


Wow that paragraph must've been written by a scientist.

Of course the govt should fund scientific research. This is a no-brainer to anyone who isn't attached to silly superstitions.






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MrCarton
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How is building the first airplane even remotely comparable to building a space ship and launching it to the moon just to see what's going on up there?



If you can't see this, then I can't help you.

You know what the big technology was in the wright brothers early days was? Bicycles.

On a side note: If government is going to provide demand for something, it should not subsidize the risk of developing it.






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did you black out after saying that?


I was waiting for someone to figure it out.

The OP asked for a link, and I was sooo close to just linking the YouTube vid






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PrimeTime Money
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Ok, that's a bunch of horse shite. Just 4 years after the Wright Brothers were born, the state of Wisconsin offered a $10,000 reward for anybody who could come up with a vehicle that could replace a horse and buggy. And they did just a couple of years later.

Internal combustion engine cars were being built since 1885.

Trains were around since the early 1800's.

And what do you mean by "if the government is going to provide demand for something, it should not subsidize the risk of developing it"?



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EA6B
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Think of all the jobs that have stemmed from that era of goverment funded research to today? The same rule applies with the Internet revolution and medical research initiatives that save lives.


While the internet was derived from the network funded with government dollars, the revolution is a direct result of private business seeing market value in the technology, and investing their money with hope of getting a return. The vast majority of medical research is funded by private industry, as is most of the research in general done by universitys.






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Yea, this issue is pretty cut and dry. It's not even really a debate. The question has more to do with how much should goverment be doing in the field of research and how much should they outsource to the private sector with tax incentives etc.?





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MrCarton
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The vast majority of medical research is funded by private industry, as is most of the research in general done by universitys.


Harvard was getting a whopping 6% from fed funds in 2010... what would we do without it?






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MrCarton
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the state of Wisconsin offered $10,000


Of other peoples money. Kind of pushing out the private sector when a government can just spend OPM.

Another quote for you:

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Capitalizing on the national bicycle craze (spurred by the invention of the safety bicycle and its substantial advantages over the penny-farthing design), the brothers opened a repair and sales shop in 1892 (the Wright Cycle Exchange, later the Wright Cycle Company) and began manufacturing their own brand[19] in 1896. They used this endeavor to fund their growing interest in flight.


Link: bike boom

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And what do you mean by "if the government is going to provide demand for something, it should not subsidize the risk of developing it"?


Exactly what it says.






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Powerman
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Is there a specific type of research mentioned earlier that only the government would have interest in?


Generally private entities don't have an interest in basic research







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MrCarton
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Generally private entities don't have an interest in basic research



I'm open to her about this. What do you mean by basic research?







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Powerman
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LINK

You have some pretty strong opinions on this matter for not even knowing what basic research is

If you want a seat at the table, learn how to use utensils first.






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If you want a seat at the table, learn how to use utensils first.








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MrCarton
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You have some pretty strong opinions on this matter


Yes, I do.

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If you want a seat at the table, learn how to use utensils first.


You have to be kidding.

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Pure research, basic research, or fundamental research is research carried out to increase understanding of fundamental principles. It is not intended to yield immediate commercial benefits; pure research can be thought of as arising out of curiosity. However, in the long term it is the basis for many commercial products and applied research.


None of this has ever happened without a government spending OPM...












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Powerman
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You have to be kidding.


No

I'm not

It seems like the only thing you want to do in this thread is try to out libertarian everyone else and use stupid comparisons about roads. As if constructing a road is the same as research in any way.

It's stupid and childish and shows a fundamental lack of knowledge about the topic.






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MrCarton
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It seems like the only thing you want to do in this thread is try to out libertarian everyone else and use stupid comparisons about roads. As if constructing a road is the same as research in any way.


Yeah, roads aren't the same as planes. Planes aren't rocket ships.

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Analogy (from Greek ??a????a, analogia, "proportion"[1][2]) is a cognitive process of transferring information or meaning from a particular subject (the analogue or source) to another particular subject (the target), and a linguistic expression corresponding to such a process. In a narrower sense, analogy is an inference or an argument from one particular to another particular, as opposed to deduction, induction, and abduction, where at least one of the premises or the conclusion is general. The word analogy can also refer to the relation between the source and the target themselves, which is often, though not necessarily, a similarity, as in the biological notion of analogy.



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It's stupid and childish and shows a fundamental lack of knowledge about the topic.



This isn't about one topic. It isn't about your particular field.

It is as much about philosophy, economics, and government as it is about science.

Seems like you were arguing a similar point in another thread...

Bottom line, the OP asked a question, I gave my opinion. Childish? No.





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PrimeTime Money
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The government doesn't provide demand when they give grants for research.

I wanted you to expand on your thought to see where you were going with this.






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Zach
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Good afternoon, Gents. Gotta kill some time before the LSU BB game with Mizzou.
I know what basic research is and it is not any more common with govt spending than with private.

IE, the Internet was not basic research. It was designed for military goals. OTOH, private concerns like pharms do tons of basic research not knowing what the hell they will find but expecting that something will pop up that they can use. Viagra is a good example. It was serendipity.

The problem with govt grants is that the money is thrown out there and grant writers go after it like fish going after worms with no other motive than eating the worm.

If I write a grant request suggesting I need money to study the effects of gunshots on the hearing ability of rabbits in forested areas I have a much better chance of getting the money from the feds, because the burocrats don't have skin in the game.






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Privately funded research is typically far too narrow and focused to have made some of our more important discoveries.

Example:

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