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ESPN radio- trying to destroy CFB
Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:00 am
Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:00 am
if already posted, sorry about that.
Yesterday I was driving down to NOLA for my son's high school lacrosse game (against Jesuit, we lost dammit), and listening to espn radio. They had Mel Kiper on, and for whatever reason they seemed hellbent on ruining college football as we know it. The issue-
Jadeveon Clowney, and the NFL draft. And why Clowney should be allowed to go pro early, and numerous recitals of LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett etc (they went to the NBA early).
Stating Clowney should go pro early and not have to wait an additional year as per the rules that apply uniformly to everyone; that Clowney should in fact sit out next season if he doesn't go to the draft... to avoid injury and protect his draft status.
See, this is (to me) what has happened to college basketball and the NBA, and I don't want it happening to football. I used to love basketball, but then the NBA started drafting guys out of high school, and very soon anyone with marginal talent was declaring for the draft instead of playing college ball. The reporters treat it as fine, and spout off how much money the kid made, and how that makes it a good decision... well maybe for the kid's immediate financial situation it is.
But not for me, because I want to watch the sport, not root for someone to become rich. NCAA basketball is a shadow of its' former self, and really the NBA is too. Very few guys are staying at school long enough to develop- if you're tall and can jump (Tyrus Thomas), you go get rich... and don't learn to play. The NBA is now full of raw guys without good training, and the draft (and new players) is fairly boring because nobody knows who 90% of these kids are now. This is as compared to a few years back, when you knew Jordan, Ewing, Barkley etc from several years of college, and the anticipation of them being drafted was huge.
Imagine, for a second, that happening to football. Any freshman on your team that looks good, he's likely to get pressure by his "peeps" to make a money run, and then it just goes downhill from there. Please, leave it alone, it's good the way it is. Don't destroy it like the NBA has done basketball.
Long rant, just had to get that off my chest.
Yesterday I was driving down to NOLA for my son's high school lacrosse game (against Jesuit, we lost dammit), and listening to espn radio. They had Mel Kiper on, and for whatever reason they seemed hellbent on ruining college football as we know it. The issue-
Jadeveon Clowney, and the NFL draft. And why Clowney should be allowed to go pro early, and numerous recitals of LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett etc (they went to the NBA early).
Stating Clowney should go pro early and not have to wait an additional year as per the rules that apply uniformly to everyone; that Clowney should in fact sit out next season if he doesn't go to the draft... to avoid injury and protect his draft status.
See, this is (to me) what has happened to college basketball and the NBA, and I don't want it happening to football. I used to love basketball, but then the NBA started drafting guys out of high school, and very soon anyone with marginal talent was declaring for the draft instead of playing college ball. The reporters treat it as fine, and spout off how much money the kid made, and how that makes it a good decision... well maybe for the kid's immediate financial situation it is.
But not for me, because I want to watch the sport, not root for someone to become rich. NCAA basketball is a shadow of its' former self, and really the NBA is too. Very few guys are staying at school long enough to develop- if you're tall and can jump (Tyrus Thomas), you go get rich... and don't learn to play. The NBA is now full of raw guys without good training, and the draft (and new players) is fairly boring because nobody knows who 90% of these kids are now. This is as compared to a few years back, when you knew Jordan, Ewing, Barkley etc from several years of college, and the anticipation of them being drafted was huge.
Imagine, for a second, that happening to football. Any freshman on your team that looks good, he's likely to get pressure by his "peeps" to make a money run, and then it just goes downhill from there. Please, leave it alone, it's good the way it is. Don't destroy it like the NBA has done basketball.
Long rant, just had to get that off my chest.
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Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:04 am to Scoob
Kiper makes no secret of his disdain for college football. To him it's just a source of talent for the NFL.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:05 am to Scoob
It's a free country. If an 18 year old wants to declare - he should be able to declare
Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:07 am to Scoob
Theres a HUGE difference between an 18 year old in the nba and an 18 year old in the nfl. Football will NEVER be like basketball even if the draft rules are changed.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:08 am to Scoob
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But not for me, because I want to watch the sport, not root for someone to become rich.
I don't want your son to go to college either...because I like to watch the TV show cops.
See how it feels? This is America and we have inalienable rights...those players weren't born and aren't on earth to suit your pleasure for free.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:08 am to Scoob
I'm in agreement with you man. I think it would be a sham to let kids go right from high school to the NFL. You cant let 18 year olds kid play with 23-35 year old men. I mean just from a development standpoint they would get smashed. Not to mention most teams would be completely retooling after only a year because of the huge turnover
This post was edited on 2/17/13 at 9:09 am
Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:12 am to Scoob
There shouldn't be any age limit on anything, but I think it's wrong if they make an exception just for Clowney.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:12 am to Scoob
18 year olds can vote and go die for their country in service. If they want to go play in the NFL, they should be able to if that is their choice.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:16 am to GeorgeTheGreek
College Baseball/College Hockey are pretty fun + they allow 18 year olds to go pro
Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:23 am to shuke33
Hockey and baseball have established minor leagues. Football, not so much.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:32 am to Scoob
quote:But here's the problem, this isn't a bout you, this is about a kid like Clowney. If you're sitting on a lottety ticket, that you completely earned by the way, you would probably also do what's best for your future, no?
But not for me, because I want to watch the sport, not root for someone to become rich
quote:imagine for a second, you were Clowney, and it should help to understand why he would do this.
Imagine, for a second, that happening to football.
If I'm Clowney and I can't get a rather large insurance policy, I would absolutely consider sitting out this season.
The system is flawed.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:34 am to GeorgeTheGreek
quote:
It's a free country. If an 18 year old wants to declare - he should be able to declare
Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:35 am to CunningLinguist
99.9% of 18, 19 and 20 year old kids are not physically and mentally ready for the rigors of an NFL life on or off the field.
IF Clowney is mentally ready, I could understand him sitting out but don't ruin the current process for one freakish exception.
IF Clowney is mentally ready, I could understand him sitting out but don't ruin the current process for one freakish exception.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:36 am to ohiovol
They should be able to declare, but that doesn't mean a team has to take them
Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:39 am to Zamoro10
quote:I'm not opposed to somebody making a buck, in the process. But-
But not for me, because I want to watch the sport, not root for someone to become rich.
I don't want your son to go to college either...because I like to watch the TV show cops.
See how it feels? This is America and we have inalienable rights...those players weren't born and aren't on earth to suit your pleasure for free.
no, I don't really care if, say, Keke Mingo gets rich or not. Don't know him or his family. Doesn't affect me. However, I DO want LSU to win and look good. I watch them "to suit my pleasure" as you say, did before this group of players were born, and will continue long after they've all played their last games here. Also a Saints fan, and I want to see them draft great players who are ready to play and contribute. So my concerns are as a fan, not as a father or relative of the player.
Jadeveon Clowney, and for example Jeremy Hill... wow they've got the physical tools. Let's let them go pro now "and make the payday". Heck Johnny Football too, because he can't do more impressive than what he's already done, and he's certainly risking his future earnings. And then, we look at any 5-stars coming in.
Just like basketball, when you open the door, you won't see it limited to just 'super-elite' talent, because no high school kid will see himself as anything but that. So any and every kid with size and speed will at least consider it; and once that's the market, the NFL teams will start gambling to get a jump on competiton.
I doubt anybody remembers a few years ago, some basketball player; kid played at Zachary, and went to juco. Signed with LSU and never came because he had some size.. went draft instead and I think the Celtics took him 1st round. I remember the incident due to it being LSU related, and being a Celtics fan at the time. I don't believe the guy ever played. This made him some cash (hey, that's what it's all about right?), but it didn't help him get any playing time to develop his career; didn't help the Celtics or any other NBA team; and sure didn't do LSU any good. But again, the kid made a payday, so I suppose we all should be pleased with the way things worked out.
That's just not what I want football to become. I was a basketball fan then too, but that scenario played out so many times that I now have little viewing interest.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:40 am to GeorgeTheGreek
quote:
It's a free country. If an 18 year old wants to declare - he should be able to declare
Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:43 am to SabiDojo
It's a free country, if I want to practice medicine and law without going to school for either, I should be allowed to...
Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:45 am to Sophandros
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It's a free country, if I want to practice medicine and law without going to school for either, I should be allowed to...
Great comparison. However, just for argument's sake, let's look at your infallible reasoning.
We require doctors and lawyers to go to school and get special licensing because we want to protect THE PEOPLE they contract with, NOT the lawyer or the doctor themselves.
Now, let's see if Jadeveon Clowney's situation is comparable.
Requiring Jadeveon Clowney to finish another year doesn't protect anybody health or legal concerns. In fact, requiring Clowney to finish another year doesn't protect anybody for any reason. You could make an argument that you would be protecting Clowney from himself, but that would be rather patronizing.
Now, back to the drawing board you go.
This post was edited on 2/17/13 at 9:49 am
Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:49 am to Sophandros
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It's a free country, if I want to practice medicine and law without going to school for either, I should be allowed to...
His skill is physical which can be taken away by "learning his craft."
You can't take away brains by studying at school.
You used to be able to sit for the Bar exam w/o going to law school. But law school is more about changing the way you think - than just being smart enough to answer questions on the exam - ergo the requirement now of graduating from an accredited law school.
But that's not market forces - they're actually trying to keep new lawyers out of the field and manage the numbers with limited jobs - the exam and school requirement - too many people in law school - too few jobs for lawyers.
There's no doubt the market says - most teams in the NFL would draft Clowney this year if they could.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:49 am to SabiDojo
18 year olds would get murdered in the NFL. Clowney is nowhere near the norm, so it'd be stupid to change the rule for everyone just because of him.
It is a free country, so Clowney can sit out and wait on his payday if he wants. Fortunately, he's already said he wants to play, Lattimore encouraged him to play, and he's looking into a $5M insurance policy.
It is a free country, so Clowney can sit out and wait on his payday if he wants. Fortunately, he's already said he wants to play, Lattimore encouraged him to play, and he's looking into a $5M insurance policy.
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