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Why does someone worth 20 million deserve SS at all?


We can effectively fix social security by efficient means testing. Mr. Smith, a wealthy retired businessman worth millions, has no business receiving social security funds.



What I just posted made up the bulk of the comments on a NY times payroll tax article.







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Tim
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Then don't make him pay it in.

The gov't tells him that is his money, forces him to pay it in over his lifetime, he becomes successful, they steal his money.

If we aren't going to get it back, then call it some tax rather than social security.






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re: Why does someone worth 20 million deserve SS at all?


Wait... you found idiotic opinions on the internet?!?





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Wait... you found idiotic opinions on the internet?!?
I found the comments more scary than idiotic.






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blowmeauburn
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deserve


I think if you pay in you "deserve" it. Now should we set a cap on income? probably, and I think the super rich like that would be willing to consider it.






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We can effectively fix social security by efficient means testing. Mr. Smith, a wealthy retired businessman worth millions, has no business receiving social security funds.



Then you would have to admit that the government lied about social security to get it passed in the first place.

And if you acknowledge that, then you should have to acknowledge that the governments will lie about other laws and programs to get them passed and that when people me like warn you that governments will abuse and manipulate things in the future (slippery slope) that you won't call us crazy kooks.

Right?



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dante
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He deserves it because he paid into the system. Need is another issue.





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MFn GIMP
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We can effectively fix social security by efficient means testing. Mr. Smith, a wealthy retired businessman worth millions, has no business receiving social security funds.

Well gee, turning Social Security into Welfare sounds like an amazing idea.






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re: Why does someone worth 20 million deserve SS at all?


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HailHailtoMichigan!


Awesome.. So the guy that invests his money instead of buying beer and scratch offs gets punished because he's successful? Forced charity?

THAT IS NOT MORAL, and is the antithesis to what hard work should allow a person to gain.

How about instead of giving them money after retirement, the government stops penalizing them for gaining money off of assets. That sounds more fair.



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M. A. Ryland
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Why does someone worth 20 million deserve SS at all?

Why does someone worth 20 million deserve his $20mil ? It isn't a question of deserve. It is his money!
Don't Steal!






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re: Why does someone worth 20 million deserve SS at all?


Because he paid into it and deserves like everyone else who did the same thing. Who are you or anyone else to deny him that? WOW!





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udtiger
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re: Why does someone worth 20 million deserve SS at all?


Did that person pay in?

If the answer is yes, then yes.






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DonChowder
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then you should have to acknowledge that the governments will lie about other laws and programs to get them passed
You mean like the real cost of Obamacare?






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HailHailtoMichigan!
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If the answer is yes, then yes.
The readers over at the NY times, however, want ss as a welfare system.






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WikiTiger
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You mean like the real cost of Obamacare?


Exactly.


And remember how anyone who said Obamacare would cost more or would deviate from original intentions was marginalized and called a kook?






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50Mullets
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re: Why does someone worth 20 million deserve SS at all?


But they payed into social security. Aren't they supposed to get their money back out? That trust fund is supposed to be swimming in cash. Just give them some of that.





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if you acknowledge that, then you should have to acknowledge that the governments will lie about other laws and programs to get them passed and that when people me like warn you that governments will abuse and manipulate things in the future (slippery slope) that you won't call us crazy kooks.


Insert Decateur, et al.






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50Mullets
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Don't Steal!


These are not polite suggestions!






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Roaad
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Why does someone worth 20 million deserve SS at all?
Why does he not deserve it?

He deserves it more than anyone who paid less than he did.






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If you means test Social Security then the justification for means testing Medicare follows naturally. If you means test for Medicare, then you can't justify universal health care with a single payer.





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