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The theoretical models don't try to use speed for all of those reasons. They try to shrink the distance. If I have to run a marathon at a sprint, I'd never make it. You ask me to run a lap at full sprint, though, and I'll do it with far less effort and doubt. That's the concept. It's a difficult thing to do, but it's possible. The power necessary is the real limitation.


Once again, what force would be used to "shrink" the distance between our solar system and wherever we're going to go? Considering there is nothing closer than light years away from us the distances you're talking about shrinking are truly massive (remember even 1 light year is like 6 trillion miles).

The only force capable of affecting space/time is gravity. How could we create a gravitational force that could first of all shrink distances of light years down to a reasonable size while not destroying everything in ours and the target star system?






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just makes it feel like we have no purpose.


That is human arrogance talking. Our purpose is as part of the matter that makes up the universe. Look at it this way. The matter that makes up you and your family is going to exost forever as either matter or energy. For those who don't believe in eternal life this should answer that question for them. You may not exist in your current form but everything that makes you up will exist forever just as it has existed for billions of years. It is, at least, one way to look at immortality.






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Actually, we once thought it'd take the mass-energy of Jupiter. That's not the case anymore. The Alcubierre Drive is the most likely option for now, but the calculations have narrowed it down to the mass of a 1600lb object. That's a plausible calculation, and these recent optimizations to the theory have got NASA to rethink its plausibility enough to assign team to work on creating the effect in tiny cases and working up towards actually building it.





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I'll answer your question with another question. How fast is our technology advancing since the microchip? What makes you think we can't get something in a few hundred years that can answer that. Right off the bat, I'd say fueling the ship by absorbing interstellar gas clouds that are full of ethanol.


While it is true our technology is advancing, we're still constrained by the massive distance of absolute nothingness sitting outside our solar system. It's not like there are a series of gas clouds similar to the chain of gas stations between your house and office. The vast majority of the gas clouds close to us are located closer to the center of our galaxy while we are on the outskirts of one of the arms. Were we to try to go harness one of these clouds by going closer to the center of our own galaxy we would enter into a zone of such high radiation our ship would be vaporized.






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Actually, we once thought it'd take the mass-energy of Jupiter. That's not the case anymore. The Alcubierre Drive is the most likely option for now, but the calculations have narrowed it down to the mass of a 1600lb object. That's a plausible calculation, and these recent optimizations to the theory have got NASA to rethink its plausibility enough to assign team to work on creating the effect in tiny cases and working up towards actually building it.


I have read some about the Alcubirre Drive. But the last I heard of Negative Mass is still not known to exist so i do not see this as really being a plausible solution. It would be cool if it were though.






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You're not giving space enough credit though.

If you can get a ship that big moving, you can drift and just periodically pulse the engines.

Remember that this is going to take millenia to get anywhere worthwhile. So, the ship will be prepared for that.






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You're not giving space enough credit though. If you can get a ship that big moving, you can drift and just periodically pulse the engines. Remember that this is going to take millenia to get anywhere worthwhile. So, the ship will be prepared for that



It's true the issue would be creating a ship that could sustain life virtually indefinitely. And the key here would be power to run the ships life support systems. Were the ship massive enough it would be able to produce a virtually self sustaining atmosphere so long as the correct balance of plant life sustained. Of course this would require massive amounts of water that would need massive recycling facilities. Basically when you think of everything that would be needed, you'd be looking at building something that would dwarf the Death Star from Star Wars.


Considering we started building the ISS in the late 90's and it's still not completely finished almost 15 years later, such a venture would take a millennia to complete. If we're going to do this, we'd better get started.






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I must say, compared to most of the threads here on the OT, this one has been very enjoyable. Thanks to everyone thus far who has contributed.





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this thread is an unfunny episode of Big Bang Theory





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Considering we started building the ISS in the late 90's and it's still not completely finished almost 15 years later, such a venture would take a millennia to complete. If we're going to do this, we'd better get started.




Agreed. We had better start looking for material as well.






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Agreed. We had better start looking for material as well.


Considering just he amount of steel alone that would be required for such a venture, we'd better start boring down to the planet's core if we're going to have enough iron to start building it.






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If you don't care if it's intelligent life or not, I'm fairly certain scientists have discovered living organisms, such as bacteria, on other planets and celestial bodies within our own solar system.


So let me rephrase what I want to see during my lifetime. I want us to be able to locate a planet with similarities to earth and an atmosphere. Not just microbes because I already think that life exist in space but i would be looking for something more substantial. I know life is life in any shape and form but I want to see a planet that similar to earth capable of supporting intelligent life.

How far away are we from being able to build a telescope that can see a planet similar to earth and take a picture of an ocean, atmosphere, and similar weather to earth?

When that happens I'm satisfied.






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Well I guess it's possible that the possible habitants of the possible "Earth-like" planets out there possibly named their planet Earth in their possible alien language.


Hah. Any dummy who's ever watched Star Trek knows that all aliens speak English






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Our planets will not be destroyed, it's inhabitants may but not Earth, it will go on in spite of any asteroid impact


Wrong. We KNOW that the Earth is inexorably falling into the Sun, and also before that crash ever happens the Sun will evolve to another stage of the life-cycle of stars where it will swell up and engulf the planets nearest to it, including us. Our days as a planet are finitely numbered.






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Is god the god of all the other earth planets as well?


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Why wouldn't he be?


Why WOULD He be? If we assume WE are not alone, then why assume God is alone? In the universal God(s) hierarchy, He might be an insignificant mid-level bureaucrat.






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As for wormholes, if they even exist, there would be the major consideration of the gravitational power of such a thing. Basically any tear in the space/time continuum would exert massive gravitational power (think black hole) that would totally obliterate anything we try to send even close to it, much less through it.



Theoretical physicists have speculated that to an "outside observer" a ship sucked into a black hole would appear to be ripped apart with all it's occupants, but to the people inside the ship it would appear that nothing is happening and they would die of old age before any discernable movement- it's a relativity thing.






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fueling the ship by absorbing interstellar gas clouds that are full of ethanol.


And could we set a little to the side for cocktails?






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It will be destroyed if not by a meteorite or comet it will be by the Sun.



You silly






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There's another problem with trying to send a large ship of colonists. Because it will take thousands of years, the residents of the spaceship will evolve for a low gravity environment and a Gaia-like planet will become uninhabitable for them. Just look at the trouble astronauts have after coming back from the ISS.





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