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m2pro
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I struggle with the "right" to vote setup we have


I am a smart guy... but I never come to the Poli-board because of how uneducated i am comparatively to the majority of this board and would make a fool of myself, right?... so here's my thing. i don't really apply myself to "all things politics" because it would be something i would become totally consumed with and be a VERY miserable person because of how little i myself could actually do to change things. i want to take advantage of the freedom that men and women have bled and died for me to experience and live in, and the best way for me is to relax and enjoy my life. which is great!

i work retail, and i naturally come across people so dumb that i wonder how in the hell they've learned to drive, kept alive so long, or even remembered to breathe... seriously, as dumb as a box of hair.

SO: Is it not -totally- fair to assume that allowing that type of person (or even my own willfully uneducated enough politically speaking self) should have NO pull in the direction of our country? Should voting not be "free to all who can pass certain knowledge based tests" sorta thing?

It just bothers me to know that our country's direction is in EVERYONE's hands. I AM for democracy, don't get me wrong. I just think a vote ought to be something we each individually earn, but have a right to earn that can't be denied. Instead of just a default vote no matter how dumb you are and how little you know.

Sorry if that was long winded. Just had to get that off my chest.



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Zach
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re: I struggle with the "right" to vote setup we have


You are correct. The franchise is too broad. The dumb masses rule.





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Vegas Bengal
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re: I struggle with the "right" to vote setup we have


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SO: Is it not -totally- fair to assume that allowing that type of person (or even my own willfully uneducated enough politically speaking self) should have NO pull in the direction of our country? Should voting not be "free to all who can pass certain knowledge based tests" sorta thing?

Your thoughts are shared by many on this board....ironically, many of the same people who call liberals "elitists."






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Navytiger74
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re: I struggle with the "right" to vote setup we have


quote:

SO: Is it not -totally- fair to assume that allowing that type of person (or even my own willfully uneducated enough politically speaking self) should have NO pull in the direction of our country? Should voting not be "free to all who can pass certain knowledge based tests" sorta thing? It just bothers me to know that our country's direction is in EVERYONE's hands. I AM for democracy, don't get me wrong. I just think a vote ought to be something we each individually earn, but have a right to earn that can't be denied. Instead of just a default vote no matter how dumb you are and how little you know.


Which august group of citizens should be honored with the task of deciding who, exactly, is intelligent/informed enough to vote. Why not attach other prerequisites to the franchise? How about "patriotism" tests...or income requirements?

The vote, to me, should be an all or nothing proposition. All legally competent adults should be allowed to vote--including criminals whose crimes don't call into question their loyalty to the nation. Otherwise, let's abandon this fricking experiment and settle on a true ruling class (unfortunately, they almost certainly won't be graduates of second-tier public universities, so most on this board are out).






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Navytiger74
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re: I struggle with the "right" to vote setup we have


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You are correct. The franchise is too broad. The dumb masses rule.


Honest question, Zach. Why should people your age be allowed to vote? You won't likely be around to sort out the long-term consequences of your choices, your lifestyle is pretty much set, and your generation is the one that essentially took this nation from the world's largest net creditor to its chief debtor. Hell, you retirees and pensioners are still bankrupting the frick out of us with your SS and medicare entitlements. Your payments should be halved. No system in history was designed for its working population to live 35-40 fricking years after they ceased to be productive.

So...






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beaverfever
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re: I struggle with the "right" to vote setup we have


I don't think you should have to have a certain intelligence level to vote. That would be very elitist and unfair. I do think you should have to pay taxes to vote.





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smoke3208
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re: I struggle with the "right" to vote setup we have


I agree 100%. If people don't take the time to at least half way understand what is going on or find out a candidates ACTUAL views, then they should not be allowed to vote. So many educated votes or equaled out by uninformed voters. If you don't pay any income taxes, why should you be able to have a say in other people's income taxes? People should at least be able to pass a current events test to be able to vote. Every CITIZEN does have a right to vote, but it should come with stipulations.





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Zach
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Honest question, Zach. Why should people your age be allowed to vote?

Because we've lived to see what socialism does.
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You won't likely be around to sort out the long-term consequences of your choices,

My choices have always been conservative. There are no consequences. The consequences are from liberals.
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your generation is the one that essentially took this nation from the world's largest net creditor to its chief debtor.

"Your Generation" is a collective term. Zach is an individual.
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Hell, you retirees and pensioners are still bankrupting the frick out of us with your SS and medicare entitlements.

Zach is for getting rid of SS and Medicare. Do you ever read Zach's posts on these issues?
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No system in history was designed for its working population to live 35-40 fricking years after they ceased to be productive.

Well, the Dems should have thought about that before they created the system.
Zach thanks you for allowing him to prove why the franchise should be reduced.






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Vegas Bengal
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re: I struggle with the "right" to vote setup we have


I suggest you become a delegate to the next GOP convention and propose a plank pushing for a constitutional amendment overturning the 24th Amendment:

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Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.


It could read:

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Although every citizen pays taxes in some form, states and Congress may decide which taxes people must pay before they may vote.


That ought to go over well.






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RCDfan1950
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re: I struggle with the "right" to vote setup we have


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I am a smart guy... but I never come to the Poli-board because of how uneducated i am comparatively to the majority of this board


Smart...and honest!

This country was NOT founded as a Democracy. Democracy is the same as 'mob rule'. You're observation is spot on. Though you action may not be. "All that is needed for evil to triumph, is for good men to stand by and do nothing".

Good luck.







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Tigerlaff
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Tigah in the ATL
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I do think you should have to pay taxes to vote.
why do you hate grandpa?






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Bestbank Tiger
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re: I struggle with the "right" to vote setup we have


The problem with tying the franchise to income taxes is that your vote affects other areas that aren't directly involved with taxation.

Look at the War on Drugs or Bloomberg's nanny state laws. Those affect everybody, and people should have the right to vote for candidates who are against those policies.

If you reduce the federal government to its constitutional role, then it doesn't matter who is in charge anyway. If the federal government continues its current intrusions, then it will be making decisions that affect a lot of areas of our lives.






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fleaux
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re: I struggle with the "right" to vote setup we have


Why should someone who has never owned property and never plans on owning any be able to vote on a property tax increase??





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acgeaux129
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re: I struggle with the "right" to vote setup we have


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(unfortunately, they almost certainly won't be graduates of second-tier public universities, so most on this board are out).


Didn't you go to a second-tier Ivy? What discipline did you get your degree in?






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tigersaint26
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re: I struggle with the "right" to vote setup we have


Maybe have to pass the same test a legal immigrant has to pass to become a citizen?

Most of them probably know more about our history and the US in general than a lot of the US citizens.






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braindeadboxer
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re: I struggle with the "right" to vote setup we have


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Most of them probably know more about our history and the US in general than a lot of the US citizens.


Sad but true

I'm all for a knowledge test. Even a basic one will suffice in weeding out some morons






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Bestbank Tiger
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re: I struggle with the "right" to vote setup we have


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Why should someone who has never owned property and never plans on owning any be able to vote on a property tax increase??


It gets passed through in the form of higher rent, so it's not like it won't cost them anything.

But even if you limit voting to property owners for property tax elections (which is far from a nonsensical position), you still can't make a reasonable argument for limiting the franchise across the board. Why should people barred from voting be subject to any law where they had no say?

If you're concerned about people voting themselves other people's money, then let everyone vote for candidates. But any tax increase must be approved in a referendum that includes only those who will be affected.






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PBnJ
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America's right to vote should include age of 18 AND a high school diploma or GED equivalent.

This will never happen because the dems could never win another election with this rule in effect.






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foshizzle
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re: I struggle with the "right" to vote setup we have


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Is it not -totally- fair to assume that allowing that type of person (or even my own willfully uneducated enough politically speaking self) should have NO pull in the direction of our country?


No, and here's why.

Even the dumbest, most uneducated and willfully ignorant person can riot. And probably will destroy a lot of stuff if the right "civic leader" stirs him up enough.

I greatly prefer that such a person go cast a vote and then go home, smugly feeling like he's "done something".






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