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EthanL 
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| My weekly 'Principles trump Rights any day' thread (Posted on 2/2/13 at 9:13 am)
I just got thru watching the remake of Total Recall, which I knew was wasted time. I wasn't surprised to see good guys blowing away bad guys, with one or two good guys going down every now and then.
What surprised me was how random people, whether it was in a workplace, shopping center, or street, were just being blown away.
One scene showed the good guys on an elevator crowded with people. When the doors opened, a hale of gunfire mowed everyone down (like 15 to 20?), except, of course, the good guys who ducked.
I remember westerns when only a few guys deserving of it got killed.
So what's next? When the opening scene of a movie shows a gunman lining up kindergartners, shooting them all execution style, or someone walking onto a school bus and all u see is an outside shot, but by the blood splatter on the windows, you know it's carnage on the inside, will you be ok with that, for the sake of freedom of speech? Would this scenario make u walk out of this movie?
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Powerman
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| re: My weekly 'Principles trump Rights any day' thread (Posted on 2/2/13 at 9:18 am to EthanL)
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'Principles trump Rights any day'
Then your principles are fricking backwards
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| re: My weekly 'Principles trump Rights any day' thread (Posted on 2/2/13 at 9:19 am to EthanL)
So, you're basing thought process on something that could happen? What about someone driving their car into a crowd of people? It could happen. What corrective action should be taken?
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| re: My weekly 'Principles trump Rights any day' thread (Posted on 2/2/13 at 9:20 am to EthanL)
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will you be ok with that, for the sake of freedom of speech
 are you saying you'd rather those types of scenes be banned?
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| re: My weekly 'Principles trump Rights any day' thread (Posted on 2/2/13 at 9:20 am to ZZTIGERS)
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So, you're basing thought process on something that could happen?
In a fiction movie of all things
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| re: My weekly 'Principles trump Rights any day' thread (Posted on 2/2/13 at 9:23 am to EthanL)
Don't like movie, don't watch movie.
Very simple. Or are you trying to socially engineer society?
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EthanL
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| re: My weekly 'Principles trump Rights any day' thread (Posted on 2/2/13 at 9:27 am to Powerman)
no, no, no. I am not saying to ban those scenes at all. You misunderstood me.
I am comparing your individual and personal principles to our rights as guaranteed by the constitution.
Do your principles allow you to watch this movie? And do they make the rights of the person who made the movie look silly?
This isn't hard. No need to dissect this...
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| re: My weekly 'Principles trump Rights any day' thread (Posted on 2/2/13 at 9:27 am to EthanL)
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So what's next? When the opening scene of a movie shows a gunman lining up kindergartners, shooting them all execution style, or someone walking onto a school bus and all u see is an outside shot, but by the blood splatter on the windows, you know it's carnage on the inside, will you be ok with that, for the sake of freedom of speech?
wait
will somebody actually die or something?
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| re: My weekly 'Principles trump Rights any day' thread (Posted on 2/2/13 at 9:28 am to EthanL)
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Do your principles allow you to watch this movie?
the total recall movie? my principles don't really allow me to watch it, but that has nothing to do with civilian death
if you think total recall is bad i'd hate for you to hear about all the movies i've seen in my life
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| re: My weekly 'Principles trump Rights any day' thread (Posted on 2/2/13 at 9:29 am to EthanL)
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Do your principles allow you to watch this movie?
Since I am able to separate make-believe from reality, then yes. I have no problem watching violent or scary movies.
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And do they make the rights of the person who made the movie look silly?
I"m not sure I understand this question?
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| re: My weekly 'Principles trump Rights any day' thread (Posted on 2/2/13 at 9:29 am to EthanL)
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When the opening scene of a movie shows a gunman lining up kindergartners, shooting them all execution style, or someone walking onto a school bus and all u see is an outside shot, but by the blood splatter on the windows, you know it's carnage on the inside, will you be ok with that, for the sake of freedom of speech?
Yes.
Next question? I hope it will be more difficult than this was.
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Powerman
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| re: My weekly 'Principles trump Rights any day' thread (Posted on 2/2/13 at 9:29 am to EthanL)
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Do your principles allow you to watch this movie?
Allow? Sure. But I probably wouldn't be interested in such a movie.
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And do they make the rights of the person who made the movie look silly?
Guess I'd have to see the movie. But yeah, some people look very silly exercising their right to free speech.
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This isn't hard.
twss
But really, you could have done a better job with wording your question.
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| re: My weekly 'Principles trump Rights any day' thread (Posted on 2/2/13 at 9:32 am to EthanL)
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So what's next? When the opening scene of a movie shows a gunman lining up kindergartners, shooting them all execution style, or someone walking onto a school bus and all u see is an outside shot, but by the blood splatter on the windows, you know it's carnage on the inside, will you be ok with that, for the sake of freedom of speech? Would this scenario make u walk out of this movie?
If a producer decided to film a shot of kindergarten children being mowed down by bullets, those who are abhorred by it wouldn't see the movie. And by expressing their rights to essentially boycott the movie with their pocketbook, the movie would flop and this director and others would take note and not replicate it.
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EthanL
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| re: My weekly 'Principles trump Rights any day' thread (Posted on 2/2/13 at 9:36 am to Joshjrn)
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Next question? I hope it will be more difficult than this was.
It will be, just waiting to get a few more responses
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| re: My weekly 'Principles trump Rights any day' thread (Posted on 2/2/13 at 9:36 am to Revelator)
showing kids actually get killed in a non-dramatic way will get you an NC-17 anyway, so it would be fricked financially anyway
odds are no studio would ever touch that and it would be an indie movie
but, let's not act like such a scene is automatically without merit. it could be done well and create a massive dramatic moment that creates the backbone for the rest of the movie
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| re: My weekly 'Principles trump Rights any day' thread (Posted on 2/2/13 at 9:39 am to EthanL)
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just waiting to get a few more responses
I have no idea what Total Recall is about. The last movie I saw was Borat. "Throw the Jew Down the Well".
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| re: My weekly 'Principles trump Rights any day' thread (Posted on 2/2/13 at 9:43 am to EthanL)
YOu watched a movie that is a work of fiction. Watching said work gave you the premise to attack "Rights" over principle. You really are a moron
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EthanL
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| re: My weekly 'Principles trump Rights any day' thread (Posted on 2/2/13 at 9:48 am to SlowFlowPro)
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showing kids actually get killed in a non-dramatic way will get you an NC-17 anyway, so it would be fricked financially anyway
Right, so low-and-behold, despite our rights and freedoms, we do have some principles to move on already.
But that's kinda besides the point. I was referring to where we are headed, and how you would react. To kinda put your point in context, PG-13 today, is not the same as PG-13 of say, 30 years ago. So who knows what NC-17 stuff will filter into R rated 30 years from now, dramatic effect and all
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EthanL
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| re: My weekly 'Principles trump Rights any day' thread (Posted on 2/2/13 at 9:50 am to CITWTT)
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YOu watched a movie that is a work of fiction. Watching said work gave you the premise to attack "Rights" over principle. You really are a moron
jesusfrickingchrist...
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| re: My weekly 'Principles trump Rights any day' thread (Posted on 2/2/13 at 9:50 am to EthanL)
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But that's kinda besides the point. I was referring to where we are headed, and how you would react. To kinda put your point in context, PG-13 today, is not the same as PG-13 of say, 30 years ago. So who knows what NC-17 stuff will filter into R rated 30 years from now, dramatic effect and all
hopefully children will still have parents who will exercise judgement of what they are allowed to watch, despite what some government arbitrator deems appropriate/inappropriate .
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