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they could do this at any store that sells guns

You're objecting that people don't call it a name that encompasses the larger, more dangerous, UNIVERSAL loophole that INCLUDES gunshows.

As I've said all along the gunshow loophole applies to more than just gun shows. The rebuttals here have been ridiculous and stupid... they merely object to the label but think the objection also applies to the reality. The goal is UNIVERSAL background checks. Give it whatever label you like but the loophole exists.

And, oh, by the way... I didn't run away from this thread.... I've been in a car driving for 22 hours the past two days.








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The dumbass is back.





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SlowFlowPro
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As I've said all along the gunshow loophole applies to more than just gun shows. The rebuttals here have been ridiculous and stupid... they merely object to the label but think the objection also applies to the reality

well the "reality" of the loophole isn't close to your description

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The goal is UNIVERSAL background checks.

my boss sold me a gun about a year ago. why should we have to pay for a background check when (1) he was with me a month earlier when i bought a handgun and (2) he knows me and is selling me his property?







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LSUconvert
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why should we have to pay for a background check when (1) he was with me a month earlier when i bought a handgun and (2) he knows me and is selling me his property?



Because your situation is not the most important, nor is it the one that anyone is concerned about.

But you probably already knew that.



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Joshjrn
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Private citizens buy and sell goods every day. Over 40% of firearms are sold via private sales. Businesses have to perform background checks. Private citizens do not. The only way it would make sense to call this a loophole is if businesses were masquerading as private citizens in order to circumvent the background check requirement.

Otherwise, calling this very straightforward status quo a "loophole" makes about as much sense as saying it's a loophole that I can serve alcohol in my home without a liqueur license.



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Because your situation is not the most important, nor is it the one that anyone is concerned about.


but i have to pay a tax and have my property rights limited? makes sense






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Rex
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Of course it's a loophole. The intent of the instant background check legislation was that dealers wouldn't sell to criminals. The intent is easily circumvented at gun shows where private dealers (as opposed to occasional sellers) can sell without checks to people they don't know. It's called a "gun show" loophole because buyers and sellers who don't even know each other are more easily matched there with a greater variety and availability of weapons.





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Rex
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why should we have to pay for a background check when (1) he was with me a month earlier when i bought a handgun and (2) he knows me and is selling me his property?

Because exceptions are a slippery slope, and we shouldn't be obligated to trust your boss's judgment regarding your background.






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They should make a law making it illegal for a felon to own a gun. Then outlaw murder.





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Elcid96
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more easily matched there with a greater variety and availability of weapons.
:rotflmao:


Yeah because that there internet is a tough one to crack.

You really are ignorant as hell on this topic.






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Tigah in the ATL
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You really are ignorant as hell on this topic
no he is really not.

A gun show is a virtual gun dealer where you go to buy guns without background checks.

Without these shows there would be less gun sales; therefore, sales without background checks are supported by manufacturers.

So you can take the position that you support sales without background checks, but don't act like you're intellectually superior because people disagree with you.






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Joshjrn
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Of course it's a loophole. The intent of the instant background check legislation was that dealers wouldn't sell to criminals. The intent is easily circumvented at gun shows where private dealers (as opposed to occasional sellers) can sell without checks to people they don't know. It's called a "gun show" loophole because buyers and sellers who don't even know each other are more easily matched there with a greater variety and availability of weapons.


Of course it's a loophole. The intent of the legislation was that bars wouldn't sell alcohol to minors. The intent is easily circumvented at private house parties where frequent party hosts (as opposed occasional social hosts) can serve alcohol without the risk of "losing their license" to people they don't know who could be underage. It's called the "house party" loophole because hosts and partiers who don't even know each other are more easily matched there with a greater variety and availability of alcohol.







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Your post is dumb as hell.

Unlicensed dealers wouldn't sell at gun shows at all if they could traffic all their wares through the internet. And internet communications are imminently traceable by authorities.







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Rex
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The intent is easily circumvented at private house parties where frequent party hosts (as opposed occasional social hosts) can serve alcohol without the risk of "losing their license" to people they don't know who could be underage.

Party hosts don't typically throw parties to give alcohol to minors they don't know.






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Party hosts don't typically throw parties to give alcohol to minors they don't know.


Someone either has never been to college or doesn't remember his time there

ETA: "Minor" in this context should be read as referring to someone under the age of 21.



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Taxing Authority
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The intent is easily circumvented at gun shows where private dealers
There is no such thing a a "private dealer".

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buyers and sellers who don't even know each other are more easily matched there with a greater variety and availability of weapons.
In the age of TE Internet, the idea that gun shows are the only way to locate firearms for sale is silly.






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Rex
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There is no such thing a a "private dealer".

I don't believe you're really that naive.






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Taxing Authority
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no he is really not.

A gun show is a virtual gun dealer where you go to buy guns without background checks.
No he is. Or else he'd that virtually all vendors at gun shows are FFL dealers and follow the law.






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Rex
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In the age of TE Internet, the idea that gun shows are the only way to locate firearms for sale is silly.

Where would YOU go to buy some particular firearms if you didn't wish to be tracked?






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wickowick
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Where would YOU go to buy some particular firearms if you didn't wish to be tracked?


Internet...






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