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siliconvalleytiger 
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| The LSU Bama talent differential (Posted on 1/21/13 at 8:43 pm)
Yes, this thread is about Bama because they are clearly the best and you have to measure yourself against the best.
With that out of the way, what does the talent differential really look like? Basing it on the Bama game, I'm not sure the gap is really that much. They were more experienced at QB but Mett more than held his own. Their O-line was better but given the rag tag group we had patched together for that game, that doesn't necessarily indicate a talent differential. Their corners were better but not all world shut down. Our so called 'mediocre' WRs made plenty of plays on them.
We lost the game and there are no moral victories but I can't say I was too dissapointed by where we stand with respect to the best in terms of pure talent. Miles' players match up pretty well to Saban's players.
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Turkey_Creek_Tiger
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We have already settled this. Its not the players its the coaches.
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Cs
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The coaching differential is substantial, and overshadows any talent advantages either team may have in a given year.
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Paul Allen
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| re: The LSU Bama talent differential (Posted on 1/21/13 at 8:50 pm to Cs)
It's the coaching? Larry Coker was awful and coached arguably the best team ever. It's the players.
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CamdenTiger
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| re: The LSU Bama talent differential (Posted on 1/21/13 at 8:51 pm to Paul Allen)
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It's the coaching?
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It's the players.
Now confused...
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biglego
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It's the coaching on offense. It's the conclusion I'm at.
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AlexLSU
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| re: The LSU Bama talent differential (Posted on 1/21/13 at 8:52 pm to Cs)
The game this year proved that we are just as talented. We statistically dominate the game, but a handful of bad calls ultimately cost us. We'll also have more players drafted this year than any other school, so I'd say our talent is fine.
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NorthEndZone
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It's simple...
Talent: LSU = Alabama
Effort: LSU = Alabama
Execution: LSU < Alabama
The question is: "Why is Alabama execution better than LSU execution?"
I believe it's a combination (mostly on the offensive side) of preparation, focus, and putting athletes in the best position to succeed (i.e. playcalling and personnel usage).
Just my 2 cents.
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Dodd 
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| re: The LSU Bama talent differential (Posted on 1/21/13 at 8:57 pm to NorthEndZone)
QB play IMO. McCannon is clutch, LSU QBs not so much lately.
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Paul Allen
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| re: The LSU Bama talent differential (Posted on 1/21/13 at 8:57 pm to biglego)
No it's not. It's called turning talent into performance.
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biglego
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| re: The LSU Bama talent differential (Posted on 1/21/13 at 9:01 pm to Paul Allen)
That's not what good coaching does?
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AlexLSU
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| re: The LSU Bama talent differential (Posted on 1/21/13 at 9:02 pm to NorthEndZone)
Bama won the BCSCG because their gameplan was far superior. This year, like the 2010 and 2011 games, LSU had a better gameplan. Poor calls by Miles ultimately eliminate LSU's chances of an SECCG and lead to a Bama repeat.
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QB play IMO. McCannon is clutch, LSU QBs not so much lately.
Mett easily had the better game this year.
This post was edited on 1/21 at 9:07 pm
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biglego
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| re: The LSU Bama talent differential (Posted on 1/21/13 at 9:24 pm to AlexLSU)
It's not just how they play head to head. Watch Bama roll thru every SEC defense not named LSU or aTm then watch LSU. I think it's coaching. Not sure if its the play calling or scheme or what but its something on the offensive side that falls under the umbrella of coaching.
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Tigercoop40
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| re: The LSU Bama talent differential (Posted on 1/21/13 at 9:31 pm to Dodd)
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QB play IMO. McCannon is clutch, LSU QBs not so much lately.
You cannot be this stupid... Can you?
McCarron 14/27 165 yards 6.1 average 1 touchdown 0 interceptions
Mettenberger 24/35 298 yards 8.5 average 1 touchdown 0 interceptions
McCarron was clutch on the final drives of both halves yes.. But outside of that he was pretty much nowhere.
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lsufan251875
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| re: The LSU Bama talent differential (Posted on 1/21/13 at 9:57 pm to Tigercoop40)
I would say Alabama is marginally better coached, and has marginally better talent (unless looking at individual positions like QB over the past 5 years).
This small difference is what separates 3 NCs for Bama and possibly 2 for LSU, honestly.
A little better QB play year and LSU doesn't leave Tuscaloosa with just a 3 point OT win, and then no rematch happens. A little better coaching this year and LSU beats Bama and faces UGA (what happens there, I don't know).
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lsusteve1
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| re: The LSU Bama talent differential (Posted on 1/21/13 at 10:03 pm to Cs)
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The coaching differential is substantial, and overshadows any talent advantages either team may have in a given year.
So, what does that say about every other team that Bama plays.....hell, at least LSU beats them occassionally.
Others (besides A&M this year).....not so much.
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JR Hamilsbach
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| re: The LSU Bama talent differential (Posted on 1/21/13 at 10:07 pm to lsufan251875)
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I would say Alabama is noticeably better coached, and has equivalent talent (unless looking at individual positions like QB over the past 5 years).
This substantial coaching difference is what separates 3 NCs for Bama and possibly 2 for LSU, honestly.
Fixed it for you.
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BananaHammock
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| re: The LSU Bama talent differential (Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:31 pm to Cs)
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The coaching differential is substantial, and overshadows any talent advantages either team may have in a given year.
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JR Hamilsbach
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| re: The LSU Bama talent differential (Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:58 pm to lsusteve1)
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So, what does that say about every other team that Bama plays.....hell, at least LSU beats them occassionally.
Others (besides A&M this year).....not so much.
It says that if you flip flop coaching staffs, then LSU has the kind of success that it's capable of achieving, which is the kind of success Alabama has had instead.
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Rickdaddy4188
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| re: The LSU Bama talent differential (Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:58 pm to BananaHammock)
If coaching is so much better, how come miles has the second most wins against Saban( tuberville#1) and has beaten Saban 2/3 years?
This post was edited on 1/21 at 11:59 pm
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