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Details of Hostage Rescue-Should Algeria have moved so Fast?


UPDATED: Algerian Hostage Crisis

UK Daily Mail

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With plastic explosives strapped around their necks, these captives were blindfolded and gagged before being loaded into five Jeeps, according to the brother of former hostage Stephen McFaul.
McFaul, with the explosives still around his neck, escaped after the vehicle he was in -- one of several targeted by Algerian fighters -- crashed, his brother said from Belfast, Northern Ireland.

McFaul said the other four Jeeps were "wiped out" in an explosion, and his brother believed the hostages inside did not survive.


What are your feelings on if the Algerians should have moved so quickly without any help from any foreign military governments?
Many hostages have died because of their quick action. Please put yourself in the position as if it was your relative being held hostage in this situation. It's real for those families.

I'm guessing many elite military units would have embraced the opportunity to storm this gas plant with its remoteness in the desert. And it seems obvious they wanted to move key hostages away from the gas plant but were stopped by Algerian military helicopters resulting in many of the hostage deaths.




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Zach
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It's the same old problem. If you negotiate you get more hostage taking.





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My feeling is that we should kill hostage-takers as quickly as possible.

I think there should be zero negotiations with a hostage taker.

As soon as you locate him, you kill him. Period.

If we followed that protocol, then hostage taking would just be another form of mass murder/suicide.

I know that the innocent hostages would be sacrificed in such a policy.

But innocent hostages are sacrificed in all mass murder situations. That is the ugly face of such a tragedy.

By reducing any possibility of any benefit to the hostage-taker for him or his cause would reduce incentives of taking hostages to zero. This would save all lives of future hostages.

In life, tragedies occur. Those caused by the evil intents of man should never be rewarded in any way.






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What are your feelings on if the Algerians should have moved so quickly without any help from any foreign military governments?


Clearly they should not have, but the Algerians didn't want to corporate with military from other countries for a whole variety of reasons.

This is something that often gets loss when American's talk about actions the president has taken or should take in foreign affairs, other countries are independent actors, they don't have to take the actions we want them to. This is why diplomacy and talking is important, often time this is the only way we can get countries to do what we want.



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TenTex
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I'm curious to know what had already been negotiated with the Algerian government by BP and other contractors suppling workers if an event like this transpired. Did Algeria follow a plan already discussed in previous meetings?





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An aside. I don't have any BP stock. But I have Chevron stock and Chevron drills in Nigeria. Every time Nigerians attack a site my stock goes down. Most of the attacks have not been deadly. They occupy a facility and the women remove their tops to show their breasts. This is an African form of taunting, apparently. Chevron gives them money and they go away.





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What are your feelings on if the Algerians should have moved so quickly without any help from any foreign military governments?


It is their country.






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What are your feelings on if the Algerians should have moved so quickly without any help from any foreign military governments?
Many hostages have died because of their quick action. Please put yourself in the position as if it was your relative being held hostage in this situation. It's real for those families.

I'm guessing many elite military units would have embraced the opportunity to storm this gas plant with its remoteness in the desert. And it seems obvious they wanted to move key hostages away from the gas plant but were stopped by Algerian military helicopters resulting in many of the hostage deaths.


I have no problem with the Algerian response. It may not have been perfect, but if you allow the jeeps to head into Mali who knows what happens next.

They did the best they could and there is no right answer when it comes to these things.






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re: Details of Hostage Rescue-Should Algeria have moved so Fast?


Obama could have sent them a drone or two





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Obama could have sent them a drone or two


He did, we sent one.






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nobodytooimportant
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Obama could have sent them a drone or two


I understand there may have been a drone, but you absolutely don't give the info directly to the Algerians. You perhaps put a drone up there and have the info relayed through an american or the military of an ally, but you don't let the Algerians know exactly what the drone's capability is by giving them raw data.






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It's the same old problem. If you negotiate you get more hostage taking.


Bingo! Let it be known to the hostages that they must act swiftly cause the military is coming in, there will be no negotiation for your life. Let it be known to the hostage taker, you will die, your hostages will die, and assuming the hostage takers are moo-slim, we will bury you in a coffin full of SPAM.


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An aside. I don't have any BP stock. But I have Chevron stock and Chevron drills in Nigeria. Every time Nigerians attack a site my stock goes down. Most of the attacks have not been deadly. They occupy a facility and the women remove their tops to show their breasts. This is an African form of taunting, apparently. Chevron gives them money and they go away.


For simple cases like this, I agree. But I think the Algerian terrorist were out for something more. In Columbia, the rebels take a hostage, if he has an insurance policy, they request the payment for whatever it's worth, say $500,000. They receive the money, then release the hostage. it's quite common place.

But if you don't have that type of policy...sorry bud, your hours are numbered. Go try to grab a gun or something cause you're probably going to die anyway.






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It is their country.


A point lost on some of the posters in the other thread, who though we should have gone in their and kicked arse somehow.






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Let the Algerians handle Algeria. Those hostages knew what they were getting into when they went. They get paid big money for big risk. No one made them go. If some Algerians were kidnapped by the mob in the US, you can be damn sure we wouldn't let the Algerians come here for the rescue. We'd handle it ourselves.





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It happened in Algeria and they have every right to handle the situation as they see fit. They do not need help. Had they followed the Obama administrations probably recommendations this happening would never end. Hats off to Algeria





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I'm not trying to defend human rights abuses, but it isn't hard to see why the Saddam Husseins, Hosni Mubaraks, Bashar al-Assads, Muammar Gaddafis, Zine El Abidine Ben Alis and Abdelaziz Bouteflikas of the world use heavy handed measures. Its the only way to control the radical Islamic fundamentalist.

If Bouteflika and his administration in Algeria or al-Assad and his administration in Syria are run out of their respective countries, the Middle-East would become one large pre-911 Afghanistan-like haven for them. They may harm their own people, but many of those people are our enemies as well. The enemey of my enemey...






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They did the best they could. Obviously their SOF units aren't as capable as ours (or any other western nation's), but they were up against the clock. In my limited experience working with the Algerian military, I've been thoroughly impressed with their commitment to taking a hard line against radical islamic terrorism.





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re: Details of Hostage Rescue-Should Algeria have moved so Fast?


Obama's backing of the Arab spring is a great tragedy that will harm the people of the middle east as well as our security





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DBL


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Obama's backing of the Arab spring is a great tragedy that will harm the people of the middle east as well as our security
Does everything on this board have to come back to Obama for some people?






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