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NFL Hires - Retreads VS NFL Assistants/College Coaches



What do you prefer?

Super Bowl Winning Coaches of last 12 seasons (2000-2012):
Tom Coughlin - 2 SBs (retread Jags)
Mike McCarthy - 1 SB (49ers OC)
Sean Payton - 1 SB (Cowboys QB/ass HC)
Mike Tomlin - 1 SB (Vikings DC)
Tony Dungy - 1 SB (retread Bucs)
Bill Cowher - 1 SB (Chiefs DC)
Bill Belichick - 3 SBs (retread Browns HC)
Jon Gruden - 1 SB (retread Raiders HC)
Brian Billick - 1 SB (Vikings OC)

Retreads - 7 Super Bowls
New HCs - 5 Super Bowls

I think I prefer giving a new guy an opportunity. Unless you just have the perfect fit (aka, a Hall of Fame QB and Sean Payton; Pro Bowl talent on defense and Jack Del Rio) etc.

Opinions?







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baytiger
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don't think you can count Gruden as a "retread" like Belichick, Dungy, and Coughlin. He was traded to the Bucs





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LSUTIGER in TEXAS
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don't think you can count Gruden as a "retread" like Belichick, Dungy, and Coughlin. He was traded to the Bucs
i agree.






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LSUTIGER in TEXAS
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obviously it depends on the situation. complete rebuild like in indy this past year? try to get a young up and comer to grow with a young team (though someone could easily make an argument an experienced coach is best to lead a younger team). an already built colts team with the GOAT at QB circa 2004 was ideal for a guy with a solid track record who "just couldnt get over the hump" (dungy)


is he a retread b/c he epicly failed like cam cameron in miami? or was he traded like a gruden? or was he terminated like a pat shurmur who had a regime change at the top (and could have failed but maybe wasnt given an adequate amount of time)? or was he a rising star who was given too much power, too early like a josh mcdaniels? is he a jeff fisher/andy reid type who spent too long somewhere and needs a change in scenery?


usually im in favor of a hot shot coordinator type who runs the opposite side of the ball from the head coach. i would prefer not taking the protege, but rather the guy who runs his side of the ball with little interference from the HC. think bill belichick's OC, not his protege DC b/c we dont know whos really running the defense

obviously he needs to have leadership skills and moxy like a tomlin or payton.






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wildtigercat93
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I dont think theres a right way


find the right guy to lead your team, look high and low for that guy






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Draconian Sanctions
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Mike Lombardi was on Simmons talking about the misnomer of retreads being a bad thing. They did a study and found that retreads could be very successful if they fall into a certain parameters. Mainly age and were they re-reach the level of success they previously enjoyed in their next job (i.e. back to being a very good coordinator or college coach).

In those instances in which the candidate fit the profile, it is very likely they would be more successful in NFLHC job 2 than they were in job 1 because they tended not to repeat the same mistakes. Lombardi cited Saban and Josh McDaniels (although he said Josh needed a few more years under BB) as those who fit the profile.






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VerlanderBEAST
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McDaniels is going to be a dominant HC one day.





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LSUTIGER in TEXAS
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There's certainly something there about learning from mistakes in your first go-round as an NFL head coach. Just like anything- experience can be the best teacher. But there seems like very few belichicks/coughlins and a million Denny greens, eric manginis, herm Edwards, Romeo crenels, Jim Moras, chan gaileys, Steve mariuchies(sp? Lol), wade Phillips, buddy Ryan's, and norv turners who didn't improve on their 2nd chance. Hell, even jimmy Johnson and bill parcels never reproduced their early results at subsequent stops





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slackhouse
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But there seems like very few belichicks/coughlins and a million Denny greens, eric manginis, herm Edwards, Romeo crenels, Jim Moras, chan gaileys, Steve mariuchies(sp? Lol), wade Phillips, buddy Ryan's, and norv turners who didn't improve on their 2nd chance.

But there seems like very few Tom Brady's/Eli Mannings and a million non-future Hall of Fame QBs. Outside of a few coaches who've won with great defenses, you can't win a Super Bowl without a Hall of Fame QB.






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