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Anyone familiar with Left leaning Anarchist theory?


I've done some lite reading. I just don't know how accurate it is. From what I can gather they view the state as evil, but they also view free enterprise and private property as evil. It seems to me very close, if not identical, to communism, which is suppose to be a stateless, classless society.

It perplexes me though, because it seems to be holding two contradictory beliefs of freedom from the state and yet servitude to society.

mograyback, you can take this one off. You've done enough already. It's not your responsibility to teach us all.







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Can you point me to the communist country that has no state or classes?





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No, but that's how it's sold.





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No, but that's how it's sold.


I guess they expect everyone in the anarchist utopia to give up all there labor voluntarily and have it evenly distributed via goods and services though a communal system of government?






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Familiar, no. But it is silly to me because in the absence of any state, class and free enterprise will form. So then they'd need that state to come in and break down those evils like free enterprise. But then you'd have a powerful state again so where are they now?





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No, but that's how it's sold.


So an educated populace would be able to easily look that up and refute it.

No wonder communists hate literate people and the Internets.






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But it is silly to me


It's silly to me as well, but that's really not the point of the thread. I'm just trying to understand it better.






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I'm just trying to understand it better.


This could be a really tough nut to crack, trying to apply reason and logic to a paradigm that is not built with any of it.

Could it be aimed at tiny commune groups or families? Those are the only places I see non-statitst communism working.






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It perplexes me though, because it seems to be holding two contradictory beliefs of freedom from the state and yet servitude to society.


well, they don't quite see it that way. Everything is done by consensus, with no one being the boss.
Its completely unworkable IMHO.

They envision the state disappearing, and instead citizens banding together to work together for the common good. Voluntarily.






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They envision the state disappearing, and instead citizens banding together to work together for the common good. Voluntarily.


But what would they do with people who opted out?






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But what would they do with people who opted out?


I dunno. Go read some chomsky.

The far left's critique of our corporate state is dead on, but their alternatives are just as bad.

eta; I think all political economic theories ignore large elements of human nature, which make them somewhat irrational.

The left ignores greed as a driver
The right thinks people are rational decision makers

Both completely miss the point



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The right thinks people are rational decision makers


I believe the argument typically states that people tend to act in their own "rational self interest" not that they are "rational decision makers." Minor quibble, but I thought the point needed to be made.






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The left ignores greed as a driver


Greed is a really subjective term. Often times people will simply apply it to people who's interest is different from theirs.

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The right thinks people are rational decision makers


Yeah, and I realize that, and it's why I want nothing to do with Democracy.






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I believe the argument typically states that people tend to act in their own "rational self interest" not that they are "rational decision makers." Minor quibble, but I thought the point needed to be made.


fair point, but if you are going to act in your rational self interest, you have to be a rational decision maker.







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But what would they do with people who opted out?



This is why this system breaks down beyond families and small groups. As the group grows and becomes diverse it has more thought inputs on how to do things. We are all different and different people want different things. Clashes occur and one-size fits all rules begin to emerge. Some resent the rules, tension ensues.

I just don't think we are built to run any voluntary collectivist program outside of small groups.

Just my 2 cents, I'm no anthropologist.






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It perplexes me though, because it seems to be holding two contradictory beliefs of freedom from the state and yet servitude to society.
Yes. These idiots have the "if only we could teach EVERYONE to think this way" type of belief system because such a system cannot have any non-adherents within it.

Dumb fricks are too stupid to realize this REQUIRES a totalitarian environment.






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for the common good
This is one of those asinine phrases like "forget politics and worry about the good of the country".

These are pleasant sounding enough except the person uttering them always seems to think THEIR view is what the "common good" or "good of the country" is and are completely perplexed that everyone else doesn't see it the same way.

It's a fricking complete a-hole phrase once you break it down.






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The right thinks people are rational decision makers
No. The right believes people should be able to freely make their decision. The right does not believe or even claim to know if that decision(s) is a rational decision.



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Familiar, no. But it is silly to me because in the absence of any state, class and free enterprise will form. So then they'd need that state to come in and break down those evils like free enterprise. But then you'd have a powerful state again so where are they now?


Somalia is the closest to an anarchist state in the world.






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GTFO.





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