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re: One of Ohio's best HS football teams/town going to be all over the news

Posted on 12/24/12 at 8:30 pm to
Posted by Jcorye1
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Posted on 12/24/12 at 8:30 pm to
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Well jcorye is obviously an idiot since he doesn't realize the 4th amendment doesn't apply to non-state entities.



Hey frickhead, I know it didn't apply to non-state entities, I was talking about the principles of it.

As I clarified a couple of posts later.
This post was edited on 12/24/12 at 8:30 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/24/12 at 8:31 pm to
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Check out prinniefied.com and just read through a few pages. A lot of what I read seems like an attempted cover-up.

it doesn't sound like a cover up. it sounds like kids with varying levels of culpability in a potentially horrible situation freaked out in response and tried to protect themselves

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Personally, it certainly sounds like something bad happened

obviously, which is why they're prosecuting 2 kids and are using the testimony of others involved (in exchange for immunity). sounds like they're operating like your typical investigation

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As for anonymous (or the actions of one of their members), this might actually be one of their more stand-up Ops.

why isn't anonymous going after killings across the country where people involved don't speak up?

similar situations to this, but with bigger stakes involved. there are probably 50 in nola each year alone they could be jumping in to offer their illegal investigations towards resolution
Posted by WDE85
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Posted on 12/24/12 at 8:52 pm to
Holy crap. That's crazy.
Posted by rmc
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Posted on 12/24/12 at 9:48 pm to
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this sounds like a clusterfrick....just the thing for a single individual who almost assuredly wasn't there to act as judge, jury, and executioner over.


But wait, anon said more people were involved and nothing is being done. I don't know why Scalia, Alito, Ginsburg or the others are on the SCOTUS. They should just relinquish their seats to several Anon "members." We could get the justice ultimatehog feels is best because anon feels it is best.
This post was edited on 12/24/12 at 9:49 pm
Posted by WikiTiger
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Posted on 12/24/12 at 10:08 pm to
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why isn't anonymous going after killings across the country where people involved don't speak up?


I'd imagine its for the same reason that boring old "normal" crimes aren't covered more in the press. They don't rile people up.

Now, have an attractive young white girl go missing, or a gang rape by a football team, and people will start to get interested and/or outraged.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/24/12 at 10:13 pm to
this reminds me of the bullshite a few weeks ago about the U-High football player
Posted by CatsGoneWild
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Posted on 12/24/12 at 10:38 pm to
Newest video from Anonymous.
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Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/24/12 at 11:39 pm to
why does KnightSec keep saying that the police are ignoring details and that this story needs publicity?

it was in the fricking new york times before they even got involved, and 2 kids were arrested and are being prosecuted

they claim to be informing "local and state officials" of this crime when "local and state officials" had these kids arrested and had a trial date set before the first video was posted. what are they trying to do exactly?
Posted by Atom-Z
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Posted on 12/25/12 at 3:34 am to
One of the parties where these high school underage kids were drinking at was at a volunteer coaches home... I am pretty sure thats illegal.

The HC didnt suspend any players or look into the situation because he "doesnt do internet" and didnt see the pictures or tweets. One of the parties was at a volunteer coaches house though...

There is allegedly video of the girl passed out being fingered, and one of the guys with his dick out in front of her while she is passed out.

here are some interesting tweets from someone at the party:






Here is some testimony
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Evan Westlake, 17, said he was at Cole’s house and was getting ready to leave when he saw the victim naked on her side. He said the victim wasn’t moving.

Westlake said Richmond was beside her and performing a sexual act and Mays was smacking his penis off her side.

When asked why he didn’t help, Westlake said, “I was stunned with what I saw. I wanted to get out of there. I didn’t know what to do.”

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Mark Cole II, 17, said the victim was leaving one house and was so intoxicated she could barely walk.

“She wasn’t capable of walking on her own and was stumbling as walking,” Cole said.

Cole said he shot a video of sexual conduct in his car between Mays and the victim as they were driving to Cole’s house. Cole said he later deleted the video from his phone.

He said, at his house, Mays attempted to get the victim to perform oral sex on Mays.

Cole said it “wasn’t his place to determine if there was a sexual assault. He said he didn’t believe it was necessary to call his mother, who wasn’t at home, another adult or the police.

Cole did say the victim wasn’t moving at his house when the sexual assault took place.

He said Richmond was lying beside her with his hands around her groin area but couldn’t tell if Richmond was sexually touching the victim. He said he didn’t intervene because he didn’t at any time see the conduct by the defendants as “forceful.” Source: Mark Law, Herald Star


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Anthony Craig, 18, said he could see the victim getting more drunk throughout the night.

“Just the way she handled herself and was walking and talking to people,” Craig said.

He said he went to Cole’s house where Cole showed him a video of what happened in Cole’s car.

Craig, who admitted to having a relationship with the victim, said he saw the victim naked in Cole’s basement. He said he saw Richmond laying beside her but couldn’t tell what Richmond was doing. He said Mays was smacking his penis off her side.

Craig said the victim was not responsive or participating.

Craig said he tried to tell Mays, his best friend, to stop it, and told him not to do anything he will regret.

Craig said Mays told him, “It is all right … don’t worry.”

When asked how it feels to testify against his friend, Craig said. “It kills me.”

Craig said he took a picture of the incident in case the victim didn’t know what was happening. He said he later deleted the picture from his cell phone.

Craig testified Mays sent him a naked picture of the victim the next day.


Where I got some information
Posted by Atom-Z
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Posted on 12/25/12 at 3:49 am to
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Slow Flow Pro
they acquired the information illegally with no chain of custody. you really think that's going to be admissible in court?


It's all admissible. Illegally obtained evidence is only prohibited if it's submitted by investigators. If a vigilante group such as Anon hacks emails, they can submit that evidence to the prosecution who can they use it against the accused.
LINK

The 4th Amendment does not extend to searches conducted by private citizens so its not really being shite on as some of you claim.
Posted by LSUzealot
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Posted on 12/25/12 at 4:22 am to
This all is very interesting to say the least. Seems to me when there's smoke, there's fire. At this point, I would tend to believe anon despite their radical stance on the issue. Either way, I will definitely keep up with this thread as it progresses.
Posted by G4LSU
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Posted on 12/25/12 at 5:21 am to
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this reminds me of the bullshite a few weeks ago about the U-High football player


yeah those racist white football players who coerced the starter, who was black, to the park and beat him into a coma to get his starting spot.

not to mention the Amanda Todd situation

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The police may have been playing things close to the bullet-proof vest, but Anonymous is something else entirely. On Monday night, they released a roundup of personal information—that is, they “doxed”—a Vancouver-area man, claiming he was the one behind Todd’s suicide. They released a cache of identifying information including his Facebook, Twitter, and Google+ accounts, links to his accounts at perv sites like Jailbait, photos, chat transcripts, and home address. And, as is traditional, a bombastic “Expect Us” video.

The Internet cheered. The media made house calls. And the RCMP reportedly dispatched two squad cars to the house in case someone decided to go vigilante IRL.

Only one problem: wrong house.

“Please quit posting the address for the guy in [New] Westminster. This is NOT the correct person,” posted Anonymous New Jersey on their popular Facebook page. To be more precise, they had identified who they believe is the right person, but he didn’t live at that address, as the bewildered resident informed the media. Radio station CKNW reported that the police concluded the occupants were at no risk.



scary as hell that people get behind this shite. the only thing groups like anon can/should do is bring attention to a situation like this. problem here being its already had attention in the form of a NYT article and 2 people already arrested.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/25/12 at 10:20 am to
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t's all admissible. Illegally obtained evidence is only prohibited if it's submitted by investigators. If a vigilante group such as Anon hacks emails, they can submit that evidence to the prosecution who can they use it against the accused.

different meanings of illegal. illegal in terms of state search and seizure? yes citizens can turn over information that may violate the rules of the 4th amendment. illegal in terms of acquired in violation of a general criminal law? much tougher

plus, how do you establish the chain of custody? is the anon member going to testify to establish the foundation and veracity of the information? how else do we know that anon didn't create these documents when we have videos that he admits to entering the e-mail address, freezing it out, and manipulating things? he could have just planted that information
Posted by duggieblue
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Posted on 12/25/12 at 10:34 am to
Kelsey Kennedy
Posted by CatsGoneWild
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Posted on 12/25/12 at 10:50 am to
When anon says the authorities need to look at that guys email account, how are they suppose to when anon has the passwords? How are the authorities suppose to get a hold of anon?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/25/12 at 11:00 am to
at a hearing over this evidence, let's just imagine the questioning

"so you were given access to an e-mail account by a person who admitted to cracking the account?"

"yes"

"do you know when they cracked the account, exactly?"

"no"

"do you have any way of verifying the defendant did what he's accused of doing and that i wasn't the person who cracked his account?"

"no"

"and the person who cracked this account isn't present to testify to these facts, correct?"

"that is correct"

"also, the person who cracked this e-mail account committed felonies when doing so, correct?"

"that is correct"

"so you're trying to use evidence obtained via felony by a person who has allegedly admitted to accessing and manipulating the account, with no real way to determine when that illegal access began and the access of the defendant ceased?"

"...yes"

sounds like a slam dunk to me.
Posted by Atom-Z
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Posted on 12/25/12 at 12:42 pm to
I am sure its not the first time an anonymous source gave information
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/25/12 at 12:59 pm to
cis give info that cops then use to do their own investigation under the laws of the state/us...typically it's used to get a warrant. there is a process that must be followed. anon didn't and likely tainted the information

cis can be called to participate in the prosecution, too.
Posted by CatsGoneWild
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Posted on 12/25/12 at 10:08 pm to
Not much happening today, besides Anon taking over the domain name of the rollredroll site and this news article. Even Rosanne Barr is commenting on the situation, lol.

LINK
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/26/12 at 9:32 am to
i think that's the site referenced in the 2nd video. that guy in the article, i believe, is the guy accused of getting pictures of teenage girls sent to him by the football team
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