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re: One of Ohio's best HS football teams/town going to be all over the news

Posted on 12/24/12 at 4:29 pm to
Posted by WikiTiger
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Posted on 12/24/12 at 4:29 pm to
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One group broke several crimes and the other didn't.


And what if someone on this board would have accused the wrong person? Do you think that would suddenly change the board's cultural attitude towards investigations like that?

Or what if a poster here did hack a suspects email or computer and found information that implicated them or located the body, do you think the hive mind of TigerDroppings would have shunned that person?
This post was edited on 12/24/12 at 4:30 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/24/12 at 4:30 pm to
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when amateur sleuths participate in cases like the Mickey Shunick murder, the wild accusations and prodding is actively encouraged.

there was an obsession over that case by a select few, and lots of mockery by people outside the clique

the person (not "anon") pushing this is likely some local kid who hates football players (he actually shows his hand to his bias by commenting how the school website celebrates the football team but has no link for academics, or something along those lines)

he may be a friend of the girl, a guy who is obsessed with the girl, or a local who just hates the football players. i think it's a local due to his allegations in the second video (he calls the suspect a booster, which means he has to be either local or listening to any rumor he can find)

he basically is the same person as those locals who got obsessed with the shurick stuff
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/24/12 at 4:31 pm to
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And lets not forget the police "lost" one of the rape videos they confiscated.

Magically disappeared.


link?
Posted by peopleschamp
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 12/24/12 at 4:31 pm to
This happened in my hometown quite a few years ago. It was a catholic high school. The girl left town right after the incident to live with her dad in Tennesssee. The kids who did it are very successful in their communities now. I remember thinking how is this not a big deal? At least talk to the kids about what happened. The drunk girl was only an 8th grader and multiple boys were 10th graders. It was considered consensual. Looking back I would be pissed if it was my daughter. That's just the way the world works I guess? My entire time in that town this group of kids seemed to be praised as coming from good families.
This post was edited on 12/24/12 at 4:33 pm
Posted by rmc
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Posted on 12/24/12 at 4:32 pm to
I don't think anyone was accused in that thread. I could be wrong. I think the guy said his sister or SIL was dating a creep. It ended up being the guy. I'm not sure he ever accused any particular person.

I personally wouldn't support hacking of emailcomputers. I can't speak for the hive mind of TD.
Posted by WikiTiger
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 12/24/12 at 4:32 pm to
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This happened in my hometown about 20 years ago. It was a catholic high school.


shite man, the (Catholic) school playing in the BCS national championship game has a recent case of sexual assault cover up.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/24/12 at 4:33 pm to
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Well the ex BF planned it all, I'd imagine planning a rape is illegal.

link?

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But he'll end up being prosecuted before this is all over with how big it is blowing up, they can't cover it up for everyone, not now.

what did they cover up, exactly? people are being prosecuted. did they just pick the kids they didn't like or something? pull names out of a hat?

if somebody actively conspired to commit a crime, sure they're guilty of something. do we have any evidence of this?
Posted by WikiTiger
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 12/24/12 at 4:33 pm to
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I don't think anyone was accused in that thread. I could be wrong. I think the guy said his sister or SIL was dating a creep. It ended up being the guy. I'm not sure he ever accused any particular person.

I personally wouldn't support hacking of emailcomputers. I can't speak for the hive mind of TD.


Yea, I'm just asking open ended questions and painting scenarios to stimulate debate.
Posted by TheOcean
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Posted on 12/24/12 at 4:34 pm to
Conspiracies don't have to be explicit. Obviously just being at the party or parties is not enough, but taking pictures, videos, and posting on twitter as a girl is being raped sounds like a pretty easy conspiracy case to me.

(if the girl was in fact raped)
This post was edited on 12/24/12 at 4:35 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/24/12 at 4:35 pm to
i think people were accused and then they went on to other stuff...it was like conspiracy theory forums where one crazy person calls another crazy person crazy
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/24/12 at 4:37 pm to
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but taking pictures, videos, and posting on twitter as a girl is being raped sounds like a pretty easy conspiracy case to me.

they weren't participating in the rape, though

i have taken plenty of pictures of stupid/fricked up shite at parties with being far removed from the stupid/fricked up shite

quote:

(if the girl was in fact raped)

i am glad you posted this
Posted by peopleschamp
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 12/24/12 at 4:38 pm to
I don't know what the answer was. I just couldn't understand how those kids weren't at least talked to about it? Seemed to lack seriousness. This party attitude is still common. Some parents today have drinking parties for their high school kids. Seems like a big liability.
Posted by TheOcean
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Posted on 12/24/12 at 4:39 pm to
Driving from party to party and taking videos/pics sure sounds like it would be a conspiracy (if that is what happened). From the twitter caps it looks like there were likely more than two people involved.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/24/12 at 4:42 pm to
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Driving from party to party and taking videos/pics sure sounds like it would be a conspiracy (if that is what happened).

i thought the pics were from different places and only the girl moved?

i don't know the facts are very limited

i get the feeling, and i could be wrong, she did bang 2 of them (the ones arrested) and then passed out...and then was just brought from party to party (without assault) as sort of a fricked up trophy
Posted by TheOcean
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Posted on 12/24/12 at 4:43 pm to


Yeah, there are a lot of weird details.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/24/12 at 5:15 pm to
let me ask this to all of those supporting anon

would you be OK with me hiring some hackers, tracking them down, and me beating the shite out of the annon hackers for violating the privacy of people involved int his case?
Posted by TheIrishFro
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 12/24/12 at 5:58 pm to
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Posted by bbrownso
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 12/24/12 at 7:07 pm to
From what I've read, at least one other person admitted to videoing the girl being violated by someone. But deleted it later since he didn't know it was a big deal.

Check out prinniefied.com and just read through a few pages. A lot of what I read seems like an attempted cover-up.

One example:
LINK

quote:

“You’re going to get yours. And if you don’t get yours, somebody close to you will.” ~Coach Reno Saccoccia


One of the more illuminating posts:
LINK

Personally, it certainly sounds like something bad happened. As for anonymous (or the actions of one of their members), this might actually be one of their more stand-up Ops.
Posted by Elleshoe
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Posted on 12/24/12 at 7:38 pm to
Well jcorye is obviously an idiot since he doesn't realize the 4th amendment doesn't apply to non-state entities.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/24/12 at 8:25 pm to
i should have read that whole article

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A medical examination at a hospital more than one day after the parties did not reveal any evidence, like semen, that might have supported an accusation of rape, the police said. The Steubenville police knocked on doors of the people thought to be at the parties, but not many people were forthcoming with information. In several instances, the police seized cellphones so they could look for photographs or videos related to the case.

Eventually, 15 phones and 2 iPads were confiscated and analyzed by a cyber crime expert at the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation. That expert could not retrieve deleted photographs and videos on most of the phones.


quote:

McCafferty, who has been the police chief for 11 years, is sensitive when it comes to criticism of his police force. He took over in the wake of a United States Department of Justice inquiry into the Steubenville Police Department’s patterns of false arrests and excessive force. And he now goes out of his way to try to assure residents that they can trust the police department again.

He said it bothered him when he heard people say that Big Red players got away with crimes in town. If crimes are being committed, he said, they are not being reported. He said no one had ever given him a concrete example of players’ receiving special treatment.


quote:

Nearly nose to nose with a reporter, he growled: “You’re going to get yours. And if you don’t get yours, somebody close to you will.”

the coach does sound like a dicktron 5000

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“The whole question is consent,” he said. “Was she conscious enough to give consent or not? We think she was. She gave out the pass code to her phone after the sexual assault was said to have occurred.”

Walter Madison, Richmond’s lawyer, said his client was already at a marked disadvantage because so many people discussed the incident online, through blogs and on Twitter.

“It’s an uphill battle because you’ve got social media going on and people formulating opinions, people who weren’t there and don’t know what happened,” he said. “In a small community, it exponentially snowballs out of control. I think the scales are a bit unbalanced.”

weird situation if the part about her giving out the passcode to her phone is true

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The lawyers for the boys also said the three athletes who testified against their clients had credibility issues. The lawyers said that the police had found photographs of nude women on the phone of one of the witnesses, and that two witnesses had admitted recording some aspect of the suspected assault. Those alone could be crimes, the lawyers said, but the witnesses were given immunity from prosecution. Their testimony, the lawyers suggested, might have been given in a bid for leniency.

oh so we know now why only 2 are being prosecuted...the others gave testimony and were given immunity

so now we're looking at 4-5 kids involved somewhat

quote:

The special prosecutors on the case, Marianne Hemmeter and Jennifer Brumby of the Ohio Attorney General’s Crimes Against Children unit, declined to comment because the investigation was open.

so this prosecution isn't even being handled by the local prosecutor OR the local judge (who i posted earlier had recused himself)

seems like a kangaroo court for sure

again, i'm not sure exactly what else there is to do. there is a serious investigation going on with 4-5 kids who are involved (2 charged and the others who were given immunity for testimony). they're prosecuting the 2 kids with a state (not local) agency for impartiality

oh, and this

quote:

Others attacked Goddard, the crime blogger, for her commentary regarding what she called the town’s twisted football culture and its special treatment of football players, including a player who is suing her for defamation. As part of the legal action against her by the player and his family, the court has allowed the family’s lawyers to seek the identities of those people who disparaged the player by name on the blog. The player has not been charged with any crime.

you have a local journalist who is being sued for her commentary, who is hiding to avoid service so that people who were spreading possible rumors against possibly innocent minors can be protected.

this sounds like a clusterfrick....just the thing for a single individual who almost assuredly wasn't there to act as judge, jury, and executioner over.
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