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Posted on 12/11/12 at 7:28 pm
Posted on 12/11/12 at 7:28 pm
Final decision on appeal
About the coaches and draft picks:
"These suspensions thus deprived the Saints of vitally important coaching and leadership talent, and they represented a severe competitive penalty for the Saints’ team, its fans and indirectly for the New Orleans / Gulf Coast region. Commissioner Goodell’s findings and the resulting suspensions of these Saints’ personnel are final and no longer subject to appeal."
I like these gems:
"That investigation was obstructed in multiple ways by the Saints’ head coach, senior coaches and other team officials, including their instructing Hargrove to answer questions falsely, though it remains unclear what exactly Hargrove was asked by investigators regarding the Program."
"As a further complication, it is unclear exactly what NFL investigators asked Hargrove regarding the Program or any other alleged program and,thus, unclear whether he lied about the Program or the fact that it included cart-offs and knockouts."
So the NFL didn't know what it asked Hargrove, but that didn't matter, as NFL said his answers were lies, and the Saints told him to lie in response to said unknown questions. Good thing for Hargrove that Tags got involved, and he has to wonder if he might not have been cut but for the initial suspension.
More:
"This sad chapter in the otherwise praiseworthy history of the New Orleans Saints casts no executive, coach or player in a favorable light."
"As Coach Williams put it, the strategy was to “deny, deny, deny” (New Orleans Saints Article 46 Appeal Proceedings Hr’g Tr. 1105:5-11), possibly in part to avoid tarnishing what everyone saw as an incredibly important and well-earned Saints Super Bowl victory."
"Due to the indefensible obstruction of justice by Saints’ personnel, which included admitted efforts of coaches to mislead or otherwise deny the existence of a bounty or the Program, a disciplinary process that should have taken weeks is verging on three years."
Finally, on the bounty, Tags seems to be an instant replay ref needing indisputable evidence to overturn Goodell's finding:
"Evaluating the totality of the evidence, there is an insufficient basis to reject Commissioner Goodell’s findings on the offer of the Favre bounty."
But the alleged offer was enough because:
"There was no evidence that Vilma or anyone else paid any money to any player for any bounty-related hit on an opposing player in the Vikings game."
About the coaches and draft picks:
"These suspensions thus deprived the Saints of vitally important coaching and leadership talent, and they represented a severe competitive penalty for the Saints’ team, its fans and indirectly for the New Orleans / Gulf Coast region. Commissioner Goodell’s findings and the resulting suspensions of these Saints’ personnel are final and no longer subject to appeal."
I like these gems:
"That investigation was obstructed in multiple ways by the Saints’ head coach, senior coaches and other team officials, including their instructing Hargrove to answer questions falsely, though it remains unclear what exactly Hargrove was asked by investigators regarding the Program."
"As a further complication, it is unclear exactly what NFL investigators asked Hargrove regarding the Program or any other alleged program and,thus, unclear whether he lied about the Program or the fact that it included cart-offs and knockouts."
So the NFL didn't know what it asked Hargrove, but that didn't matter, as NFL said his answers were lies, and the Saints told him to lie in response to said unknown questions. Good thing for Hargrove that Tags got involved, and he has to wonder if he might not have been cut but for the initial suspension.
More:
"This sad chapter in the otherwise praiseworthy history of the New Orleans Saints casts no executive, coach or player in a favorable light."
"As Coach Williams put it, the strategy was to “deny, deny, deny” (New Orleans Saints Article 46 Appeal Proceedings Hr’g Tr. 1105:5-11), possibly in part to avoid tarnishing what everyone saw as an incredibly important and well-earned Saints Super Bowl victory."
"Due to the indefensible obstruction of justice by Saints’ personnel, which included admitted efforts of coaches to mislead or otherwise deny the existence of a bounty or the Program, a disciplinary process that should have taken weeks is verging on three years."
Finally, on the bounty, Tags seems to be an instant replay ref needing indisputable evidence to overturn Goodell's finding:
"Evaluating the totality of the evidence, there is an insufficient basis to reject Commissioner Goodell’s findings on the offer of the Favre bounty."
But the alleged offer was enough because:
"There was no evidence that Vilma or anyone else paid any money to any player for any bounty-related hit on an opposing player in the Vikings game."
Posted on 12/11/12 at 7:31 pm to CBDTiger
Was all this worth a Superbowl?
Absolutely
Absolutely
Posted on 12/11/12 at 7:46 pm to LSUZombie
quote:
Was all this worth a Superbowl?
Most annoying statement ever to me. We gained zero competitive advantage. It's not like we paid bounties to get a Superbowl as your statement implies
Posted on 12/11/12 at 7:47 pm to CBDTiger
I hate that they are focusing on the entire "Program" as a whole instead of finding out whether or not there was intent to injure.
The severe penalties we were handed were largely because of the supposed encouraging of cart-offs/knockouts/injuries, which Goodell is so determined to prevent (for obvious reasons). I mean, everyone here knows that something fishy was going on, but is a "pay for performance" system deserving of losing draft picks, coaches, players, a whole season?!
Like, frick NFL, we get it. There was some kind of system within the organization that paid money to players for doing certain things. We fricking get that. Can you please just admit that there isn't enough evidence to prove an intent to injure so we can get our draft picks/coach back and move on from this shite.
The severe penalties we were handed were largely because of the supposed encouraging of cart-offs/knockouts/injuries, which Goodell is so determined to prevent (for obvious reasons). I mean, everyone here knows that something fishy was going on, but is a "pay for performance" system deserving of losing draft picks, coaches, players, a whole season?!
Like, frick NFL, we get it. There was some kind of system within the organization that paid money to players for doing certain things. We fricking get that. Can you please just admit that there isn't enough evidence to prove an intent to injure so we can get our draft picks/coach back and move on from this shite.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 7:49 pm to Pendulum
quote:
We gained zero competitive advantage.
Dude players who are playing for money will play alot harder than those playing for free. We obviously had an advantage.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 7:49 pm to Pendulum
quote:
We gained zero competitive advantage.
No shite?
Posted on 12/11/12 at 7:50 pm to Sir Saint
defense mode
This post was edited on 12/11/12 at 7:51 pm
Posted on 12/11/12 at 7:51 pm to Sir Saint
quote:
Dude players who are playing for money will play alot harder than those playing for free. We obviously had an advantage.
And almost every NFL player has performance incentives already.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 7:52 pm to Sir Saint
I was posting while reading your post, haha
Posted on 12/11/12 at 7:56 pm to Pendulum
Where is StaPuffMarshy now?
Posted on 12/11/12 at 7:59 pm to CBDTiger
quote:
"Due to the indefensible obstruction of justice by Saints’ personnel, which included admitted efforts of coaches to mislead or otherwise deny the existence of a bounty or the Program, a disciplinary process that should have taken weeks is verging on three years."
But wait, I thought the punishments were because they didn't stop in 2010 when goodell supposedly told them to? I thought it only got brought up after the fact? But why did Fujita get suspended when he was even with the team....
Posted on 12/11/12 at 8:03 pm to Bayou
If we were in the playoff hunt this would not bother me as much.
But reading this line of bullsh!t now is hard to take.
Blaming the Saints org. for Rog over-reaching is ...
But reading this line of bullsh!t now is hard to take.
Blaming the Saints org. for Rog over-reaching is ...
Posted on 12/11/12 at 8:18 pm to CBDTiger
quote:
"Evaluating the totality of the evidence, there is an insufficient basis to reject Commissioner Goodell’s findings on the offer of the Favre bounty, but There was no evidence that Vilma or anyone else paid any money to any player for any bounty-related hit on an opposing player in the Vikings game."
What in the name of all things holy does this statement mean?
Posted on 12/11/12 at 8:27 pm to CBDTiger
Paragraph one begins with lies and bullshite.
So they're already trying to reframe the argument the argument because they are full of shite. There was no bounty program, there was a pay for performance program, and they think there was a bounty on Favre.
Liars and scoundrels.
quote:
The matter before me involves appeals by four present or former New Orleans Saints’
players who are challenging findings of misconduct and disciplinary actions taken by
Commissioner Roger Goodell on October 9, 2012. The players are Anthony Hargrove, Scott
Fujita, Will Smith and Jonathan Vilma. The imposed discipline was the result of the National
Football League’s (the “NFL”) investigation of allegations concerning a pay-for-performance
program (the “Program”) conducted by the Saints during the 2009 through 2011 seasons to
reward particular plays by Saints’ defensive players that ultimately incentivized rendering
opposing players unable to play, and allegations concerning a specific bounty being placed on
Brett Favre to injure him during the NFC Championship game against the Minnesota Vikings in
January 2010.
So they're already trying to reframe the argument the argument because they are full of shite. There was no bounty program, there was a pay for performance program, and they think there was a bounty on Favre.
Liars and scoundrels.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 9:03 pm to Breesus
quote:
"Evaluating the totality of the evidence, there is an insufficient basis to reject Commissioner Goodell’s findings on the offer of the Favre bounty, but There was no evidence that Vilma or anyone else paid any money to any player for any bounty-related hit on an opposing player in the Vikings game."
In other words, he's saying:
There's insufficient evidence to make anyone wrong or right in the accusations of the Vikings game where there was supposedly a bounty paid for Favre.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 7:29 am to Sir Saint
quote:
Dude players who are playing for money will play alot harder than those playing for free. We obviously had an advantage.
Seriously?
These guys make millions of dollars to play the game and you think they will play harder to get a $1,500 bonus... Dumbest comment ever
Posted on 12/12/12 at 7:34 am to Sir Saint
quote:
than those playing for free
Which NFL players play for free?
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