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KosmoCramer 
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| Did Barry Goldwater have it right? (Posted on 12/10/12 at 12:11 pm)
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When you say "radical right" today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican party and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye
I wasn't alive when he was in politics, but he seems to be more in line with where many of the Republican party are trying to get.
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Malik Agar 
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| re: Did Barry Goldwater have it right? (Posted on 12/10/12 at 12:24 pm to KosmoCramer)
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| re: Did Barry Goldwater have it right? (Posted on 12/10/12 at 12:26 pm to KosmoCramer)
Barry was a libertarian. You can lift lots of quotes from him on many subjects, but the man believed in freedom.
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JDifuplease
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| re: Did Barry Goldwater have it right? (Posted on 12/10/12 at 12:30 pm to KosmoCramer)
Kind of like Jeremiah Wright?
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| re: Did Barry Goldwater have it right? (Posted on 12/10/12 at 12:34 pm to JDifuplease)
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Jeremiah Wright
Jerimiah Wright puts politics ahead of religion. He doesn't try to change political policies to fit his religious view. He just wants the black man to be President so he can push his black liberation theology forward.
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trackfan
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| re: Did Barry Goldwater have it right? (Posted on 12/10/12 at 12:39 pm to Jax-Tiger)
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Jerimiah Wright puts politics ahead of religion. He doesn't try to change political policies to fit his religious view. He just wants the black man to be President so he can push his black liberation theology forward.
Good point. Robertson and tailors his politics to match his religious views while Wright tailors his religion to match his political views.
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| re: Did Barry Goldwater have it right? (Posted on 12/10/12 at 12:42 pm to trackfan)
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Robertson and tailors his politics to match his religious views while Wright tailors his religion to match his political views.
That's an interesting observation, and true.
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| re: Did Barry Goldwater have it right? (Posted on 12/10/12 at 1:00 pm to trackfan)
I can see that, not so much what is right...versus what is right now
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| re: Did Barry Goldwater have it right? (Posted on 12/10/12 at 1:03 pm to KosmoCramer)
Correct me if I'm wrong but this election has less religion talk in it than any national election that I remember. I don't even remember Mitt bringing up Social issues except when he was asked in the debates. Did I miss something?
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| re: Did Barry Goldwater have it right? (Posted on 12/10/12 at 1:10 pm to KosmoCramer)
Separation of Church and State serves our country best!
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| re: Did Barry Goldwater have it right? (Posted on 12/10/12 at 1:11 pm to Radiojones)
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Correct me if I'm wrong but this election has less religion talk in it than any national election that I remember. I don't even remember Mitt bringing up Social issues except when he was asked in the debates. Did I miss something?
I thought so too. Mitt steered away from religious and social talk for the most part. IMO in fear of the Mormon stuff being brought out. I do like his stance on campaigning on mostly fiscal issues and challenges. However, I think he severly underestimated the 'social' importance of many voters today.
The R's are going to need to get into the cultural game a bit more going forward.
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TN Bhoy
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| re: Did Barry Goldwater have it right? (Posted on 12/10/12 at 1:14 pm to KosmoCramer)
Aye, that's why fiscal con Bush got two terms and social con Romney got whooped.
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| re: Did Barry Goldwater have it right? (Posted on 12/10/12 at 1:18 pm to KosmoCramer)
Wait, the last prez election featured a Dem. "Christian", who won (that sat under Jeremiah Wright) and a Mormon, who lost; yet you somehow credit Goldwater for blaming the preachers who joined the Rep. party?
 kind of logic is that?
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| re: Did Barry Goldwater have it right? (Posted on 12/10/12 at 1:18 pm to Radiojones)
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Correct me if I'm wrong but this election has less religion talk in it than any national election that I remember.
From Mitt's side, sure. Thats exactly right.
But if you forget the nation was already exposed to Rick "I'm running for president because Jesus can't" Santorum, Chick-Fil-A guy and legitimate rape guy...the R's had enough Non-Mitt Romneys flinging Gawd around to make up for it.
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TN Bhoy
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| re: Did Barry Goldwater have it right? (Posted on 12/10/12 at 1:27 pm to Broketec)
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But if you forget the nation was already exposed to Rick "I'm running for president because Jesus can't" Santorum, Chick-Fil-A guy and legitimate rape guy...the R's had enough Non-Mitt Romneys flinging Gawd around to make up for it.
Both Obama and Biden spoke about God helping them out during the campaign more than Mitt did. Although this board thinks socially conservative positions are evil, they get people elected as long as the candidate doesn't do something extremely stupid like talking about "legitimate" rape.
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| re: Did Barry Goldwater have it right? (Posted on 12/10/12 at 1:36 pm to KosmoCramer)
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When you say "radical right" today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican party and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye
If that happens ? Where have you been for the last 20 years ?
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| re: Did Barry Goldwater have it right? (Posted on 12/10/12 at 1:49 pm to Malik Agar)
Barry was right, but it is the Establishment of the GOP, not just the Evangelicals that are to blame. The Establishment screwed the party by abandoning it's "conservative" principles whenever they are in power. This led to ineffective governance that when coupled with the bad reputation created by the politically incorrect views of the evangelicals, seeded disillusion with the party. This disillusion alienated fiscally conservative moderates and socially conservative evangelicals alike, leading one of these groups to vote for the Democrats in the past two elections and the other group to stay home.
The GOP has some serious problems on the national level right now.
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| re: Did Barry Goldwater have it right? (Posted on 12/10/12 at 2:28 pm to kingbob)
Please. The biggest problem Republicans have right now is the same problem the Greek government has with its citizens, and an electorate that votes on superficial issues like race and coolness factor.
The vast majority of Americans are religious, especially demographics that voted heavily Obama. The results hardly had anything to do with religion, and more to do with a PR nightmare that the party can't shake.
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KosmoCramer
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| re: Did Barry Goldwater have it right? (Posted on 12/10/12 at 2:31 pm to charlieg14)
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If that happens ? Where have you been for the last 20 years ?
that was a quote from Goldwater. He died in 1999. Pretty big influences on Reagan and Nixon (talked him into resigning).
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| re: Did Barry Goldwater have it right? (Posted on 12/10/12 at 3:33 pm to Malik Agar)
AuH2O
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