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re: The CP3 trade -- 1 Year Anniversary
Posted on 12/10/12 at 7:31 pm to TigerinATL
Posted on 12/10/12 at 7:31 pm to TigerinATL
It's impossible to do revisionist history, I realize that. But I do know last years team would have been better. How much better, I don't know. But somewhere around 40 wins and in the playoffs would have been realistic. I would have liked that alot more than what actually happened.
As for this season, if Paul didn't want to stay they had tons of options. Where ever Paul wanted to go (a winning, big market team) would have required a S&T. They could have still done the Ariza/Oak trade to Orlando, plus the deal with Ayon for Anderson. Belli and Landry would have been free agents. Lots of options existed and its hard to project what all might have happened.
They got really lucky and while I understand your point, I think you are exxagerating. Duncan is one of the greatest of all time and has won 4 rings. Davis is a great player but isn't a guarantee. But to answer your question, no. He wasn't worth flushing a whole season and trading away a season of one of the best players in the league.
As for this season, if Paul didn't want to stay they had tons of options. Where ever Paul wanted to go (a winning, big market team) would have required a S&T. They could have still done the Ariza/Oak trade to Orlando, plus the deal with Ayon for Anderson. Belli and Landry would have been free agents. Lots of options existed and its hard to project what all might have happened.
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So the guy that most experts are calling a once in a generation player wasn't worth a rebuild? I wonder if San Antonio would trade Duncan to have been a playoff team in 96-97. Chad Ford said most GMs would have taken Davis over pretty much every recent top pick besides Durant and Lebron
They got really lucky and while I understand your point, I think you are exxagerating. Duncan is one of the greatest of all time and has won 4 rings. Davis is a great player but isn't a guarantee. But to answer your question, no. He wasn't worth flushing a whole season and trading away a season of one of the best players in the league.
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Posted on 12/10/12 at 7:47 pm to brmark70816
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somewhere around 40 wins and in the playoffs would have been realistic. I would have liked that alot more than what actually happened.
Congrats, you're the only person on the planet that would prefer a first round exit over 7 years of Anthony Davis.
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Davis is a great player but isn't a guarantee.
What isn't a guarantee? He's only played in 6 games, but he's dominated despite only being 19. He's 3rd in the NBA in PER, 3 spots ahead of Chris Paul. If we don't trade CP3, our outlook is terrible. What exactly do you think we're getting for CP3? I promise you it's worse than Eric Gordon. But hey, it would be worth it to see the Hornets get their shite pushed in by the Thunder.
Posted on 12/10/12 at 8:14 pm to THRILLHO
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But hey, it would be worth it to see the Hornets get their shite pushed in by the Thunder.
I get it, everybody wants to watch a sorry team for 60+ games rather than play .500 ball with a shot at making a run in the playoffs. The year before we pushed the Lakers to 6 games, but hey if you can't win it all just rip it all down. Whats wrong with mediocrity? We had a top 5 player, I just didn't want to get rid of him (until he really forced us to.
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Congrats, you're the only person on the planet that would prefer a first round exit over 7 years of Anthony Davis
That's fine. We'll see what Davis becomes. He is an awesome talent, so I hope he is great. But hold on to that 7 year projection. He's friends with all the same people Paul is and if he's as great as we hope, the big markets will come calling as well.
Posted on 12/10/12 at 8:32 pm to brmark70816
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We had a top 5 player, I just didn't want to get rid of him (until he really forced us to
he did. he all but said he was not going to re-sign with the hornets. shite, he may have said he wasn't. it was the best move at the time. new ownership, new team.
Posted on 12/10/12 at 8:37 pm to brmark70816
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He's friends with all the same people Paul is and if he's as great as we hope, the big markets will come calling as well.
Market had less to do with Paul wanting out than you think. Unfortunately, the shitshow that was Shinn/Bower transition to NBA ownership pushed Paul to do what he did. If you build a winner around Davis here, he may very well be more Duncan than Lebron.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 12:31 am to Jester
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Market had less to do with Paul wanting out than you think. Unfortunately, the shitshow that was Shinn/Bower transition to NBA ownership pushed Paul to do what he did. If you build a winner around Davis here, he may very well be more Duncan than Lebron
I don't want him to leave. I just know its going to take a couple of years of bad basketball to build a winner. There are going to be some misses along the way (Rivers?) and it's not going to be fun to watch. I'm trying to keep it positive, but I just think they rushed it. Especially if they knew that Benson was lined up to buy the team, which changed the whole team culture.
Just a hypothetical, but let's say Paul stayed and then entered this past summer as a free agent. He wants to go to the Knicks. Under the new CBA, would a package of Lin and Fields (front loaded S&T contracts), Shumpert, Novak and future picks not have been a decent package? Would that have worked? You combine that with Vasquez, West, Smith, do the Ayon/Anderson trade, the Oak/Ariza dump and whoever they drafted in the late teens last summer and that isn't a bad base to build on.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 8:21 am to brmark70816
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everybody wants to watch a sorry team for 60+ games rather than play .500 ball with a shot at making a run in the playoffs.
I think I'd be ok with being the Jerry Sloan Utah Jazz, the problem is the CP3 era team was stuck a tier below that with no way to move up because injuries to Chandler and Peja killed the Hornets asset portfolio so to speak. Starting over really was the best option. Not starting over most likely would have lead to becoming the new Houston Rockets, stuck in 9th seed purgatory forever.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 8:39 am to TigerinATL
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the problem is the CP3 era team was stuck a tier below that with no way to move up
The talent on the Hornets outside of Paul, West, Chandler, and injured Peja was putrid for most of Paul's tenure. Morris Peterson and Rasual Butler were the 2s for years. Melvin Ely and Ryan Bowen were rotation bigs. Mike James. The continual shite show at the 3. James Posey's corpse.
Paul's brilliance hid a lot of deficiencies and turned poor talent into playoff teams for years. Letting him go and hitting reset was the only way out of the mess Shinn/Bower made.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 8:52 am to TigerinATL
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I think I'd be ok with being the Jerry Sloan Utah Jazz
i wouldn't. i'd much rather what happened than to be stuck in mediocrity for years to come.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 8:59 am to quail man
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i wouldn't. i'd much rather what happened than to be stuck in mediocrity for years to come.
Obviously if given the choice of sucking for a once in a generation talent or being a perennial 3-5 seed you'd choose the contention level talent. But the timing doesn't always work out, so if the choice were to tank say this season vs. becoming a solid playoff team, I'd choose playoff team. Losing only to end up with non cornerstones is how you become the Kings and the Wizards.
This post was edited on 12/11/12 at 9:00 am
Posted on 12/11/12 at 10:00 am to TigerinATL
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But the timing doesn't always work out, so if the choice were to tank say this season vs. becoming a solid playoff team
I agree. What some people seem to forget is that you just don't tank a season. It takes years to stockpile talent. Durant and James both didn't make the playoffs until their 3rd year. It's going to take time to develop, grow and find other guys. Even then, it's not guaranteed.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 10:08 am to TigerinATL
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so if the choice were to tank say this season vs. becoming a solid playoff team, I'd choose playoff team.
yes. i think 99% of the board would agree with this...
Posted on 12/11/12 at 10:10 am to brmark70816
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What some people seem to forget is that you just don't tank a season. It takes years to stockpile talent.
I don't think anyone "forgets" that.
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