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doubleb
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The media played up the Arab Spring as another Obama coup,



but first we had Libya, then rockets over Israel, Syria, and now Egyptian riots.

Obama's feel good foreign policy has left the US weak and without respect in the area.

We helped topple a dictator in Egypt. Elections were held, the winner was an Islamist who took total control. So much for Arab democracy and freedom. Protesters are now being killed.

We helped to topple another dictator in Libya, but we left it a political vacuum and as a result an unsafe nation where our ambassador was killed.

We encouraged the Palestinians by not coming out strong for the Jews, and we got rockets.

In Syria we did nothing but talk and Asad is killing his people and in the end whatever is left will be a radical regime of some sorts because we have no influence.

This foreign relations coup for Obama is melting before our eyes. The US has little that it can do even though we provide Egypt with over a billion dollars a year in aid(bribes).

Russia and Iran are influencing events in Syria and of course we have no influence on them.

What's going on in Libya? Nothing I guess.

Meanwhile an obliging media looks elsewhere, they know Obama is out of his league. He's headed to Hawaii anyway.







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accnodefense
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re: The media played up the Arab Spring as another Obama coup,


And we all got the tin foil hat treatment for saying this would happen





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CarrolltonTiger
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Obama's feel good foreign policy has left the US weak and without respect in the area.


Is his ineptness any worse than the policies of Bush that cost us more money and lives and also left us weaker and without respect.

Respect, what a crock of shit, who is going to respect the US for its fricke up interventions. Whose respect are you looking for and on what basis.

Our Middle East policy has sucked since the end of the Cold War. Clinton, Bush and Obama have all screwed the pooch.






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CajunAngele
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re: The media played up the Arab Spring as another Obama coup,


The morning news shows with Gayle King and Norah ODonnell gave Obama a blow job and swallowed on live TV this morning.

They are orgasmic over the Jackie O gown Michelle Obama wore.

They do not care. They will take this all the way until they are off air because we are attacked. Then what will they say? Oooops our bad he is a weak,pathetic POS idiot? Will we wait until we are all dead?

We have measures in place in our government to protect us from the very thing that I described above. Dereliction of duty, aiding and abetting and providing comfort to the enemy.

He is half-black though, so nothing to see here move along...







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doubleb
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Is his ineptness any worse than the policies of Bush that cost us more money and lives and also left us weaker and without respect. Respect, what a crock of shit, who is going to respect the US for its fricke up interventions. Whose respect are you looking for and on what basis. Our Middle East policy has sucked since the end of the Cold War. Clinton, Bush and Obama have all screwed the pooch.


You may disagree with Clinton, and the Bush's policies; but the Bushes commanded respect.

They didn't apologize for protecting our interests.

Gulf War One had to happen. No way around it.

Clinton was soft on AQ and early in W's administration; we paid for it.

W lashed out in Afghanistan as we had to.

Bush got bad advice and went after Iraq, mistake IMHO.

But no matter what you say, the Bushes had respect and people knew they could take action.

With Obama apologizing on day one and letting things slide thereafter; you are now seeing the results.

But yea, blame Bush for it, Obama would appreciate that.






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Good Times
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Is his ineptness


I think his, and his handler's plan is working well.









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cwill
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We should not have intervened militarily in Libya.

But as far as the "arab spring" - their countries, their choices. If you expect a transitions in this region from dictatorship to something closer to representative rule your naive. Frankly, it's not our problem unless it affects oil supply.

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Obama's feel good foreign policy has left the US weak and without respect in the area.


What should he have done otherwise...other than not intervene militarily in Libya.

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In Syria we did nothing but talk and Asad is killing his people and in the end whatever is left will be a radical regime of some sorts because we have no influence.


Do you want us to intervene militarily?

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Russia and Iran are influencing events in Syria and of course we have no influence on them.


Again, other than talk, would you prefer bombs?

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We encouraged the Palestinians by not coming out strong for the Jews, and we got rockets.


Why do we have to come out "strong" for jews? Where is our national interest implicated?

ETA: And this current state of affairs - toppling dictators in hopes of getting democracy - was the central argument in the Neocon push to invade Iraq.



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Our Middle East policy has sucked since the end of WWII.


Fixed.






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CajunAngele
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What should he have done otherwise...other than not intervene militarily in Libya.


Are you being serious? For starters we, (Obama) should not have set up the muslim brotherhood to take over Egypt. Our media should not have joined Obama in the outright lies that the muslim brotherhood are good people and not radical terrorists.






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cwill
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For starters we, (Obama) should not have set up the muslim brotherhood to take over Egypt.


How do you allow people to self-determine and prevent that genius?

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Our media should not have joined Obama in the outright lies that the muslim brotherhood are good people and not radical terrorists.


Supposing anything in that sentence were true, how would that change anything in Egypt?






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doubleb
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But as far as the "arab spring" - their countries, their choices. If you expect a transitions in this region from dictatorship to something closer to representative rule your naive. Frankly, it's not our problem unless it affects oil supply.


Sure, but we were involved. We forced Murabak out and bombed Ghadafi, remember???
The Middle East is a cauldron, democracy is great, but they don't have a democratic tradition; consequently, it's best to find a dictator favorable to us and support him. Remember the Shah of Iran? Murabak? Even Kadafy at the end. They were known quantities, we had incluence, things in the region were more peaceful. Sure the masses wanted them out, but the faxctions inside these countries take over and the result becomes chaos not democracy.

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In Syria we did nothing but talk and Asad is killing his people and in the end whatever is left will be a radical regime of some sorts because we have no influence


syria is just an example of how feeble we are. I don't recommend intervening, but by intervening in Egypt and in Libya we encouraged these people to rebell. Now look at the horrific mess.

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Why do we have to come out "strong" for jews? Where is our national interest implicated
The Israelis are allied with us. That has been the case for decades. We promised to be on their side and we've had influence inside their govt. for decades. Now if you recommend cutting them loose and helping terrorists, then say so. After they take care of Israel, who is next? THese extremists don't care about borders. We already saw that on 911.

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ETA: And this current state of affairs - toppling dictators in hopes of getting democracy - was the central argument in the Neocon push to invade Iraq.


Bush 2 was ill advised to invade Iraq. It should never happened. It was a big mistake. It may pay off in the long run, but if I had to be, I'd bet no.







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CajunAngele
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How do you allow people to self-determine and prevent that genius?


Are you calling Obama a genius or me, in a poor debate skill to downgrade?

The people are now rebelling against Obama and Morsi. Morsi is a radical terrorist. When Obama and SoS Clinton told the big lie that it was democracy and a peaceful protest. The radical terrorist leader Morsi was presented to us as a man of peace. Morsi had to flee.Obamas plan of an arab spring is a farce. There are no if's ands or buts about it.

Mid East peace is not inflaming and surrounding Israel with terrorists. Mubarack was in place and diplomatically paid well to NOT do what Morsi did.

Obama has failed miserably in the mideast.






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cwill
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ure, but we were involved. We forced Murabak out


No we didn't...we just didn't back him and intervene on his behalf.

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and bombed Ghadafi, remember???


See my initial post - we shouldn't have.

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The Middle East is a cauldron, democracy is great, but they don't have a democratic tradition; consequently, it's best to find a dictator favorable to us and support him. Remember the Shah of Iran? Murabak? Even Kadafy at the end. They were known quantities, we had incluence, things in the region were more peaceful. Sure the masses wanted them out, but the faxctions inside these countries take over and the result becomes chaos not democracy.


This is terrible policy and in my view has led us to dealing with radicalized Islam....in the short term letting the people get what they want will be messy and uneven but in the long term it should work in our favor. Like I said other than protecting oil supply I don't give a frick about those people.

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syria is just an example of how feeble we are. I don't recommend intervening, but by intervening in Egypt and in Libya we encouraged these people to rebell. Now look at the horrific mess.


It started without us...and we didn't intervene in Egypt - only Libya.

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The Israelis are allied with us. That has been the case for decades. We promised to be on their side and we've had influence inside their govt. for decades.


How has this relationship, this "alliance" benefited the US? It has been a millstone around our neck and made us a target, nothing more.

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Now if you recommend cutting them loose and helping terrorists, then say so.


What a false choice.

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THese extremists don't care about borders. We already saw that on 911.


You're becoming incoherent.







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And we all got the tin foil hat treatment for saying this would happen



That's the lefts m.o. and they use it for everything.

a person thinks the gov. is over reaching with survellance and such= tin foil hat

you believe in traditional marriage= homophobe

you point out Obama's obvious capitulation towards Muslims= conspiracy kook

you think abortion is wrong and dont want to fund it= woman hater

you are concerend that Obama is not equipted to be president and weakining America's standing in the world= racist


The left will always use this tactic to silence you and they hope you will be shamed into a corner. And if you allow them, they will marginalize every one of your beliefs and they still won't be happy with it, nor will they be satisfied.






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nobodytooimportant
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You may disagree with Clinton, and the Bush's policies; but the Bushes commanded respect.


By what measure was Bush respected in the world and can you point to specific instances where this respect translated into tangible gains for the US or its interests?

From wikipedia here is a list of some of the terrorist attacks against the US after 9/11


2002 - Reporter Daniel Pearl, kidnapped and beheaded in Karachi.

2002 - Nine people killed by bomb blast near US embassy in Lima - seen as attempt to disrupt forthcoming visit by President George W. Bush.

2002-2006 - Karachi consulate attacks: three separate attacks killed 18 people (including an American diplomat) and injured 87.

2002 - Two Marines shot, one killed in Kuwait.

2003 - Riyadh Compound Bombings kill 9 Americans, among 35 others.

2003 - Three American diplomats are killed by a roadside bomb targeting their convoy in Gaza. Palestine Resistance Committees, an umbrella organization has taken responsibility for the attack."[1]

2003–present - Damascus terrorist attacks: American interests in Syria targeted by Islamists.

2004 - Civilians Nick Berg, Jack Hensley, and Eugene Armstrong kidnapped and beheaded in Iraq.

2004 - Paul Marshall Johnson, Jr, civilian working in Saudi Arabia, kidnapped and beheaded; five other Americans die in attacks in Saudi Arabia in 2004.

2007 - American embassy attacked in Athens, Greece.

2008 - John Granville, US diplomat, assassinated in Khartoum, Sudan








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slackhouse
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doubleb

Every sentence you type does not need to be on a different line with an empty line in between. There are these things called "paragraphs." Normally, paragraphs are used to link sentences with related content to each other. After several sentences on that topic, you can then move on to another topic in a new paragraph.

Once you learn to do that, people might be able to read your posts without gouging their eyes out.






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CajunAngele
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You're becoming incoherent.


The OP of this thread is obviously not the incoherent one. You are.






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doubleb
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You're becoming incoherent.


Practical is the word.

You are trying to be rational, I use to be with you in that dept.; but you can't rationalize and think like people who believe in blowing themselves up for their cause.

We have to stay strong in the region because of oil. If we were oil independent, we wouldn't have to be so involved. The problem is we are dependent and we have to stay strong there.

Then we have Israel, who we've promised to protect. Like it our not, we are bound to help them defend their borders.

So how are we to handle foreign policy with our national security at stake (oil) and our honor at stake (Israel)?

And now behind door number three you have Iran emerging with nuclear capabilities which is a huge deal changer. Obama and Bush and /clinton have failed miserably to stop the Iranians.

Why didn't we "encourage" their democracy movement? Why did we pick Egypt and Libya to influence the outcome and not Iran???

It is puzzling why we look from the outside in Iran and Syria and do nothing, while we jump in on Egypt and Libya. Why?






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CajunAngele
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I don't see anything wrong with doubleb's posts.

Will you be sticking around to spell check everyone english teacher?






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doubleb
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Once you learn to do that, people might be able to read your posts without gouging their eyes out.


Sorry, if it matters I will adjust.







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