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I'm a pretty big fan of Groucho Marx.


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Yes, you make fair points. I'd summarize later academic Marxism (especially in lit studies) as basically Marxism without the economic determinism.


Jameson was the reason I studied critical theory. Academic Marxist homogeneity was the reason I left.






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That's interesting. Did you study at LSU?





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Hasn’t Mitt Romey ever heard of Lyndon Johnson. His “gift” to blacks was the Civil Rights Act.
And creating the war on drugs, not the terminology obviously

and the Vietnam War

And the welfare system that enslaves many.






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Democrats aren’t “creating dependency” by inventing social programs, they’re responding to the social reality in the way progressives have for more than a century.


Warmongers aren't creating wars by fabricating reasons for same, they’re responding to the global reality in the way politicians have for more than a century.


I love single-sided justifications. These morons don't even give cursory thought to this shite before they press "send"






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they’re responding to the social reality in the way progressives have for more than a century.



Yeah, I don't buy that BS at all. Opportunistic, at best.



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That's interesting. Did you study at LSU?


For my BA yes. I went somewhere else for grad school.






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Nope.

If anything, the democrats are the more materialistic party.






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The serious kernel, however, is that right-wingers and marxist left-wingers sometimes seem to share basic premises, namely, materialism--the idea that all ideas etc. are driven by economics.
so capitalists are Marxists?

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And the welfare system that enslaves many.



FDR created welfare in his New deal but LBJ had the Great Society.









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quote: Democrats aren’t “creating dependency” by inventing social programs, they’re responding to the social reality in the way progressives have for more than a century. Warmongers aren't creating wars by fabricating reasons for same, they’re responding to the global reality in the way politicians have for more than a century. I love single-sided justifications. These morons don't even give cursory thought to this shite before they press "send"




ummm it's bayou sam who probably had plenty socialist-marxist professors brainwash him as we have evidenced from his past postings.

The fact he does not think those programs do not create dependency is laughable or the fact he is too dumb to realize how miserably they have failed.



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I don't necessarily disagree with some of that.





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Fat Bastard


As a popeling, you must be very upset that first things would publish such knavish and errant nonsense.






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Did you have Pat McGee? He was one of the only true Marxists I ever had at LSU. Couldn't stand him.

Of course, Marx influences lots of people in academia, because, well, Marx is an interesting philosopher. But then again I'm not a "critical theory" guy. I find lots of it stimulating and some of it very good, but the philosophers and theorists I read don't really come out of that Saussure-Levi Strauss-vaguely-Marxist-but-very-Hegelian camp.






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There are two alternative stories. The wrong and frankly ridiculous story is that democrats created the welfare state to create a permanent client voter base. This welfare state in turn has dogged our economy until it's gotten to this point.

The correct story is that globalization has hurt middle class jobs and widened the gap between wealthy and poor. This in turn changed on our economy from manufacturing basis to a consumption basis fueled by finance (otherwise known as debt). This exacerbated middle class problems. Already-existent welfare programs have filled in the gap, and that along with an aging population putting a strain on government budgets that wasn't foreseen when the programs were put into place in a manufacturing society.






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Bayou Sam



Sam the sham is your new name.

DO you want to go back to being OWNED like in other threads I have shown you from the past boy? Definitely headed down that path here also.

You are like a masochist. You love that whip don't you?






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Hm, a popeling using metaphors of sexual perversion. Hardly unusual I guess.

Didn't I ask you in the last thread you spewed your rantings on to explain exactly how I was "owned"?






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Bayou Sam
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Also, Sam the Sham is a good band, I don't know what your problem with them is.





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Having a giant population of freed slaves that have been abused and pandered to doesn't help.

Eta: *descendants of



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Did you have Pat McGee? He was one of the only true Marxists I ever had at LSU. Couldn't stand him.


Yup. One of my favorites actually. It doesn't matter that I have drifted far from the territory of critical theory as a definitive practice/observation method, but my personal approach is the sum of my experiences, including those in, what I would call, more vulnerable times.

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Of course, Marx influences lots of people in academia, because, well, Marx is an interesting philosopher. But then again I'm not a "critical theory" guy. I find lots of it stimulating and some of it very good, but the philosophers and theorists I read don't really come out of that Saussure-Levi Strauss-vaguely-Marxist-but-very-Hegelian camp.


True. As said above, I'm not really "a critical theory guy" anymore either; the attempts to blend cultural theory with philosophy, economics, political science, and epistemology were ambitious and fun, but they have also died with a distinct whimper of sadness.

My anger with the field, outside of the previously mentioned homogeneity, is more from the reproducible nothingness of its effects. Critical Theory, in the end (when it began to critique itself), became a vapid, completely pointless enterprise. Instead of acting on principles, it decided to break itself down. Instead of reorganizing under new banners and following media production into a new age of knowledge development, it withered in the throes of Marxism, post-post-racialism and completely ridiculous accusations about anyone aligned with conservative or traditionalist approaches.

The last few functions/displays/events that I attended near the end of grad school were just a left version of the worst of the PoliBoard. Grotesque displays of conservative thought with the backdrop of Bush as some diabolical genius of totalitarianism. And that's all they wanted to do.

It doesn't help that my voice shifted significantly to a more Burkian/Conservative/Hegelian mixture of Pragmaticism with a dash of unrelenting Romanticism. Weird I am.




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