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Let's Compare 2 Positions- LB and QB last 4 years
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:16 am
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:16 am
LB's
Derry Beckwith- drafted by San Diego, coached by Malveto
Perry Riley- drafted in the NFL- coached by Chavis, was not considered as a big time recruit, was coached up and became a good player
Kelvin Sheppard- drafted by Buffalo- coached by Chavis. National Honors, was not considered as a big time recruit, was coached up and became one of LSU's best all time LB's.
Kevin Minter- was not considered as a big time recruit, was coached up by Chavis, is now getting national honors and becoming a better player week to week.
QB's
Andrew Hatch- was not SEC caliber and should have never been the starting QB for LSU, no NFL- coached by Crowton
Jarred Lee- was considered a hot prospect coming out of high school, and regressed and actually got worse year over year while at LSU, no NFL- coached by Crowton/Gonzales/Krags/Stud
JJ- was not considered a big time recruit, but started off reasonably well and then regressed and got worse over time while at LSU, no NFL- coached by Crowton/Gonzales/Krags/Stud
Mett- was considered to be the biggest QB recruit to come out of JC, highly touted prospect. Has not gotten better game to game, and may actually be regressing other than being a TO machine early on- coached by Stud/Krags
Now, look at who's been responsible for coaching these players. Of all the LB's except one, Chavis has had his hands on each one, and that one was coached by Pelini, a great defensive coach now a head coach at a major college program.
Now, look who's been responsible for the QB's. They have had a clusterfrick of bad OC's, bad scheme and philosophy, and bad position coaches, which has resulted in poor player development. The results above speak for themselves.
Tiger fans have to ask themselves, who's responsible for the D and who's responsible for the O? Look at the past players and the difference is very clear.
Derry Beckwith- drafted by San Diego, coached by Malveto
Perry Riley- drafted in the NFL- coached by Chavis, was not considered as a big time recruit, was coached up and became a good player
Kelvin Sheppard- drafted by Buffalo- coached by Chavis. National Honors, was not considered as a big time recruit, was coached up and became one of LSU's best all time LB's.
Kevin Minter- was not considered as a big time recruit, was coached up by Chavis, is now getting national honors and becoming a better player week to week.
QB's
Andrew Hatch- was not SEC caliber and should have never been the starting QB for LSU, no NFL- coached by Crowton
Jarred Lee- was considered a hot prospect coming out of high school, and regressed and actually got worse year over year while at LSU, no NFL- coached by Crowton/Gonzales/Krags/Stud
JJ- was not considered a big time recruit, but started off reasonably well and then regressed and got worse over time while at LSU, no NFL- coached by Crowton/Gonzales/Krags/Stud
Mett- was considered to be the biggest QB recruit to come out of JC, highly touted prospect. Has not gotten better game to game, and may actually be regressing other than being a TO machine early on- coached by Stud/Krags
Now, look at who's been responsible for coaching these players. Of all the LB's except one, Chavis has had his hands on each one, and that one was coached by Pelini, a great defensive coach now a head coach at a major college program.
Now, look who's been responsible for the QB's. They have had a clusterfrick of bad OC's, bad scheme and philosophy, and bad position coaches, which has resulted in poor player development. The results above speak for themselves.
Tiger fans have to ask themselves, who's responsible for the D and who's responsible for the O? Look at the past players and the difference is very clear.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:17 am to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:Patently false.
regressed and actually got worse year over year while at LSU
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:17 am to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:
Tiger fans have to ask themselves, who's responsible for the D and who's responsible for the O?
I'll go with the head coach being responsible for everything.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:18 am to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:
Kevin Minter- was not considered as a big time recruit
He was a 4 star
quote:
Jarred Lee- was considered a hot prospect coming out of high school, and regressed and actually got worse year over year while at LSU
His name is not Jarred. He had his best season his senior year.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:18 am to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:
Jarred Lee-
wrong
quote:
was considered a hot prospect coming out of high school, and regressed and actually got worse year over year while at LSU, no NFL- coached by Crowton/Gonzales/Krags/Stud
wrong.
He had the best passer rating in the SEC before he was benched last year.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:19 am to Tiger_n_ATL
I think Ray Charles can see this one.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:19 am to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:
Kevin Minter- was not considered as a big time recruit,
wrong. Very good 4-star recruit that we stole from UGA.
quote:
Perry Riley- drafted in the NFL- coached by Chavis, was not considered as a big time recruit, was coached up and became a good player
Kelvin Sheppard- drafted by Buffalo- coached by Chavis. National Honors, was not considered as a big time recruit, was coached up and became one of LSU's best all time LB's.
Friends in HS that both came to LSU and were considered good prospects. Also stole from UGA.
This post was edited on 10/24/12 at 10:21 am
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:20 am to Tiger_n_ATL
this is one of the worst threads i've ever seen on the rant and that's saying a lot. your logic is extremely flawed
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:23 am to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:
Andrew Hatch- was not SEC caliber and should have never been the starting QB for LSU, no NFL- coached by Crowton
Started what like 2 games at LSU due to the dismissal of the starting QB before the season started.
quote:
Jarred Lee
Wow. Can you really not spell his name yet?
quote:
regressed and actually got worse year over year while at LSU
You couldnt be more incorrect with this.
quote:
Mett- Has not gotten better game to game, and may actually be regressing
This is false as well.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:24 am to LSUzealot
You can argue whether they were a big time recruit or not, a 4 star, they were not considered 5 stars or game changing recruits...but we are quibbling on the margins here. Point is these players got much better.
Jarrett Lee won some passing awards coming out of high school, he was considered to be a good QB, albeit not bit time. He got worse year over year, then got BETTER his senior year, then got WORSE again towards the end of the year. This is not a JJ/JL thread, he got worse because of bad coaching. That's the point.
Jarrett Lee won some passing awards coming out of high school, he was considered to be a good QB, albeit not bit time. He got worse year over year, then got BETTER his senior year, then got WORSE again towards the end of the year. This is not a JJ/JL thread, he got worse because of bad coaching. That's the point.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:24 am to Tiger_n_ATL
I am sort of with you on this but if this isn't a huge Les Miles flame idk what is.
Sorry man, but I'm so over this convo on this board.
Sorry man, but I'm so over this convo on this board.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:25 am to LSUzealot
quote:Compared to some of the sugar plums you have been responsible for, I think it holds up pretty well.
this is one of the worst threads i've ever seen on the rant and that's saying a lot.
quote:the logic is that the LB's were coached up and coached well, went on to the NFL, and improved over time at LSU while the QB's did not. If you can't see that logic you either have an agenda or are just trolling.
your logic is extremely flawed
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:26 am to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:
Has not gotten better game to game, and may actually be regressing other than being a TO machine early on- coached by Stud/Krags
As his o-line has gotten better, he has gotten better. Againt A&M he just missed a few throws that would havebroken the game open. He missed them sure, but he made the right reads and found the open reciever. Just has to take that next step.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:26 am to Tiger_n_ATL
Few comments:
You could probably add Jacob Cutrea (sp?) to the list of Chavis improvements. I think he's still sticking around in the NFL (Tampa Bay?).
Pretty sure Minter was a 4* recruit so it may be a little misleading to suggest he "was not considered a big time recruit."
JL was a Jimbo recruit. He chose to stay with his commitment to LSU after Jimbo left and Crowton was hired. (have to admire that guy's sense of commitment)
Hatch and JJ were the only two Crowton recruits to see PT (I think). IMO (and only speculation), I don't think Crowton ever envisioned using JJ as the starter or centering the O on him. I think he planned to use JJ in a RP '07 like fashion.
That said, your point is well-taken. Chavis takes avg-to-good talent and molds them into outstanding performers. On the other hand our QB play (with some exceptions) has been suspect and inconsistent.
You could probably add Jacob Cutrea (sp?) to the list of Chavis improvements. I think he's still sticking around in the NFL (Tampa Bay?).
Pretty sure Minter was a 4* recruit so it may be a little misleading to suggest he "was not considered a big time recruit."
JL was a Jimbo recruit. He chose to stay with his commitment to LSU after Jimbo left and Crowton was hired. (have to admire that guy's sense of commitment)
Hatch and JJ were the only two Crowton recruits to see PT (I think). IMO (and only speculation), I don't think Crowton ever envisioned using JJ as the starter or centering the O on him. I think he planned to use JJ in a RP '07 like fashion.
That said, your point is well-taken. Chavis takes avg-to-good talent and molds them into outstanding performers. On the other hand our QB play (with some exceptions) has been suspect and inconsistent.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:27 am to Child of the Missip
quote:I'm not really intending for it to be. A larger point is if we can hire good defensive coaches to coach up our players, why can we not hire good offensive ones? I just don't get the disconnect.
I am sort of with you on this but if this isn't a huge Les Miles flame idk what is.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:28 am to AlwysATgr
quote:Thank you, at least some one gets it.
That said, your point is well-taken. Chavis takes avg-to-good talent and molds them into outstanding performers. On the other hand our QB play (with some exceptions) has been suspect and inconsistent.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:28 am to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:No, he did not.
He got worse year over year
quote:After the concussion and break down? When he basically wasn't playing?
then got WORSE again towards the end of the year.
quote:Good coaching up to the Bama game, then bad after.
he got worse because of bad coaching
This is the dumbest thing ever.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:29 am to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:
Jarrett Lee won some passing awards coming out of high school, he was considered to be a good QB, albeit not bit time. He got worse year over year, then got BETTER his senior year, then got WORSE again towards the end of the year.
He didn't play at the end of the year. Wasn't his offense, he couldn't get a rhythm. He had one bad quarter against Bama in Ttown.
He also looked pretty damn good for the Chargers in the preseason. HS stats don't show it all due to lack of competition. He was mediocre from start to finish talent wise.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:30 am to PurpleAndGold86
quote:
Mett- Has not gotten better game to game, and may actually be regressing
quote:
This is false as well.
He made quite a few big throws early in the year. Against A&M his numbers were absymal beyond 10 yards. Like I said, his TO's have gotten better, so I will concede the point and say he has not regressed, but certainly he is not progressing at the rate any educated observer thought he would.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:31 am to Tiger_n_ATL
Make a list of the running backs and olinemen too. Were a power running team. You people just look at the glass half empty.
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