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re: Let's Compare 2 Positions- LB and QB last 4 years
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:32 am to Tiger_n_ATL
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:32 am to Tiger_n_ATL
How is a 4 star not a big time recruit? Usually the services only designate 250-300 players as 4 star recruits. I think you are misguided on that one. Also, your post sucks. I don't think other 1st year starting QB's in the SEC lit the world on fire either.
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Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:33 am to Tiger_n_ATL
you have to at least recognize that btwn RP and zach lee opting for baseball, that these weren't exactly first choice guys we've had under center since flynn.
but i get your overall point.
but i get your overall point.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:33 am to AlxTgr
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This is the dumbest thing ever.
quote:Leave it to you to make the whole thread about one data point, and make it seem like I am putting down Lee. Lee did very well his senior year for a while. There were extenuating circumstances that caused him to not keep his job for the rest of the year, they were not all of his control, some were the result of bad coaching. That's the point of the thread.
AlxTgr
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:34 am to Tiger_n_ATL
Tiger in Atl....Miles philosphy (which i have no problem with) is win with a strong running game, defense and special teams. There are not many OC's that want to coach in that type of system. It limits their ability to showcase their individual and creative style. In other words the offense is very boring to watch but very effective when executed.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:34 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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Tiger_n_ATL
quote:I'm pretty sure some of us do.
Thank you, at least some one gets it.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:35 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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some were the result of bad coaching. That's the point of the thread.
Ah, so this is a thread to flame Miles...
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:37 am to Tiger_n_ATL
It's patently obvious that the Chavis is exponentially better than whatever cabal of buffoons is responsible for the offense. LSU lost Mathieu and Jones just prior to the season, yet the defense continues to perform at elite levels. It's clear that the defensive players at every tier of the depth chart are well instructed. When the defense had a horrendous first quarter against against TAMU, Chavis immediately made appropriate schematic, tactical, and personnel adjustments (e.g. moving to a three man front). Those sorts of adjustments are the hallmark of intelligent coaching. Meanwhile, on offense, we plod through the same predictable quagmire of simplistic plays each game. When is the last time you witnessed an effective in-game or game week adjustment from the offensive staff? The staff had nearly a month to prepare for the NCG game against an opponent it had already faced and failed to score a touchdown on, yet it didn't make a single effective adjustment. Not one. That's the hallmark of stubborn stupidity.
Hopefully, the offensive staff has actually learned from the debacles in the NCG, at Auburn, at Florida, and last week. Our offense didn't play well in any of those games. I pray we see effective, creative adjustments next week. If not, Chavis and the defense will have to once again carry us to victory.
Hopefully, the offensive staff has actually learned from the debacles in the NCG, at Auburn, at Florida, and last week. Our offense didn't play well in any of those games. I pray we see effective, creative adjustments next week. If not, Chavis and the defense will have to once again carry us to victory.
This post was edited on 10/24/12 at 10:41 am
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:38 am to Tiger_n_ATL
holy shite, what shown atrocious thread 
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:39 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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Look at the past players and the difference is very clear.
not really...go back and look at past rosters and you'll find just as many defensive guys that didn't develop. Plus you're comparing positions that don't recruit the same number of players each year and ones that have a significant difference in learning curve/responsibility.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:42 am to Tiger_n_ATL
You are not allowed to criticize Lee on this board.
If coach woulda put him in, we coulda won State!
If coach woulda put him in, we coulda won State!
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:51 am to Hot Carl
quote:Figured you would chime in with some profanity laced, useless comment as usual. Never on point, never on message, never addressing the issue. Just set up in the thread and take a giant dump and leave. Keep up the good work!
Hot Carl
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:53 am to ForeLSU
quote:This is true, there is a different learning curve, but that's the nature of the position. The QB's did not improve on the same scale and progression level as LB's, regardless of degree of difficulty. The common denominator is poor coaching at the QB level.
not really...go back and look at past rosters and you'll find just as many defensive guys that didn't develop. Plus you're comparing positions that don't recruit the same number of players each year and ones that have a significant difference in learning curve/responsibility.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:56 am to The312
quote:Well said, I couldn't agree more. I was just trying to use an example of positions, so that we could compare how some players get better while others don't. Maybe the comparison was extreme or not precise, but the major point is that is if our program can contend nationally for honors at this position and put players in the NFL, it does not make sense that our offense can't also do well.
It's patently obvious that the Chavis is exponentially better than whatever cabal of buffoons is responsible for the offense. LSU lost Mathieu and Jones just prior to the season, yet the defense continues to perform at elite levels. It's clear that the defensive players at every tier of the depth chart are well instructed. When the defense had a horrendous first quarter against against TAMU, Chavis immediately made appropriate schematic, tactical, and personnel adjustments (e.g. moving to a three man front). Those sorts of adjustments are the hallmark of intelligent coaching. Meanwhile, on offense, we plod through the same predictable quagmire of simplistic plays each game. When is the last time you witnessed an effective in-game or game week adjustment from the offensive staff? The staff had nearly a month to prepare for the NCG game against an opponent it had already faced and failed to score a touchdown on, yet it didn't make a single effective adjustment. Not one. That's the hallmark of stubborn stupidity.
Hopefully, the offensive staff has actually learned from the debacles in the NCG, at Auburn, at Florida, and last week. Our offense didn't play well in any of those games. I pray we see effective, creative adjustments next week. If not, Chavis and the defense will have to once again carry us to victory.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:57 am to Tiger_n_ATL
Lee was rated the number 7 qb coming out of high school.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 10:59 am to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:I did nothing of the sort. I am also not the only one caling out your error.
Leave it to you to make the whole thread about one data point, and make it seem like I am putting down Lee.
quote:Yes.
There were extenuating circumstances that caused him to not keep his job for the rest of the year,
quote:No. This is not supportable.
some were the result of bad coaching. That's the point of the thread.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 11:05 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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it does not make sense that our offense can't also do well.
Hester spent 4 years in the NFL, Keiland and Ridley are there now, more RB's on the way. Doucet, Randle and Lafell all improved over their careers and are in the NFL.
But again, there have been top recruits on defense that didn't develop either...typically how a player develops is much more a reflection on the player than the coach.
And I'm certainly not saying that the QB position hasn't been very disappointing over the past few years...
Posted on 10/24/12 at 11:08 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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and regressed and actually got worse year over year while at LSU
This is flat out incorrect. He was MUCH better as a senior than as a freshmen. Up untill the first Bama game, he had the top or one of the top QB ratings in the SEC. Bama just screwed with his head too much.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 11:13 am to The312
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It's patently obvious that the Chavis is exponentially better than whatever cabal of buffoons is responsible for the offense. LSU lost Mathieu and Jones just prior to the season, yet the defense continues to perform at elite levels. It's clear that the defensive players at every tier of the depth chart are well instructed. When the defense had a horrendous first quarter against against TAMU, Chavis immediately made appropriate schematic, tactical, and personnel adjustments (e.g. moving to a three man front). Those sorts of adjustments are the hallmark of intelligent coaching. Meanwhile, on offense, we plod through the same predictable quagmire of simplistic plays each game. When is the last time you witnessed an effective in-game or game week adjustment from the offensive staff? The staff had nearly a month to prepare for the NCG game against an opponent it had already faced and failed to score a touchdown on, yet it didn't make a single effective adjustment. Not one. That's the hallmark of stubborn stupidity.
Great post.
And I think this is 'the forest' that the OP was pointing out but everyone keeps stumbling over the fallen tree.
So I'll just ask my question: Why, just why, is it so foreign to our program to expect an O that function like our D?
Our track of record has been great but it could so easily be even better. We don't have to settle for this load of mediocrity. Our offense basically scavenges for points.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 11:28 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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Hot Carl
Figured you would chime in with some profanity laced, useless comment as usual. Never on point, never on message, never addressing the issue. Just set up in the thread and take a giant dump and leave. Keep up the good work!
Posted on 10/24/12 at 11:34 am to EarthwormJim
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I'll go with the head coach being responsible for everything
Not with some...when we win, it's the players or other coaches on the staff.
When we lose, it's Miles.
In our last 35 football games, LSU is 31-4 and 18-3 in the SEC.
Nothing wrong with venting or discussion of problems as long as we remember that no matter what we see as being wrong/a short coming of the LSU football program there is a hell of a lot more right with LSU football than wrong.
Why some can't enjoy/respect/have faith in the efforts of those who have presented LSU fans with those kind of results referenced above is beyond my reasoning ability.
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