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regarding the libya rose garden speech



I just watched it. He said something generically about "acts of terror," but did not specifically state that the Libya attack was an act of terror. That said, his remarks were clearly in the context of the Libya attack, so my conclusion is that it is ambiguous.

How in the hell was Crowley so sure that Obama had called "it" an act of terror?

Was this already a dem talking point that I missed?







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SlowFlowPro
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Was this already a dem talking point that I missed?

i think tonight was the birth of that talking point






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FairhopeTider
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It is technically true, but anyone looking at the context of that speech plus the hyping of the video by Rice and Obama know that Obama truly didn't believe it was a terrorist attack.





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bayoubengals88
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How in the hell was Crowley so sure that Obama had called "it" an act of terror?
youve got catching up to do
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Was this already a dem talking point that I missed?
one could say that...






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NC_Tigah
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Was this already a dem talking point
Yes.






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shoelessjoe
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Can't wait for the last debate. This will be a huge point.





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GRTiger
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A big help in the development of this talking point will be the complete disregard of him alluding to the video in that same speech.





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baybeefeetz
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NC Tigah


In that case, I don't come down so hard on Crowley. For a moment there I was starting to put my tin foil hat on.






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bradwieser
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Romney still missed an opportunity. If it was a terrorist attack then it makes him going to Vegas look even worse. If it was a terrorist attack why were you an the admin still blaming the video. If you thought it as a terrorist attack why 14 days later on the view when asked directly did u say "we're still investigating."





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baybeefeetz
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of him alluding to the video in that same speech.


It is true that at that time there were protests going on about the video in various places. I appreciate that this was a speech about LIbya, but it was a very, very vague allusion drawing no specific conclusion.







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baybeefeetz
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If you thought it as a terrorist attack why 14 days later on the view when asked directly did u say "we're still investigating."



9/11 was investigated for how long? It was clear it was a terrorist attack starting at like 10am on 9/11.11.






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Jacuzzitub
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I'm determined to fight this every place I see it...

Romney asserted that it took Obama 14 days to call the attack in Benghazi an act of terrorism. This claim was untrue on its face, even if you claim that the rose garden remarks were ambiguous.

From Gallup:

Some of Obama’s critics have flat out denied that Obama referred to the Benghazi attack as an act of terrorism the morning after it occurred. Others have suggested Obama may have been referring to the September 11, 2001 attacks in New York and D.C.

But two days later, Obama repeated his statements less ambiguously.

“So what I want all of you to know is that we are going to bring those who killed our fellow Americans to justice,” he said on September 13. “I want people around the world to hear me: To all those who would do us harm, no act of terror will go unpunished. It will not dim the light of the values that we proudly present to the rest of the world. No act of violence shakes the resolve of the United States of America.”

Romney’s claim, echoed by scores of conservatives and GOP critics, that Obama waited two weeks to call the attack an act of terrorism is incorrect.


There it is. Even if you think the rose garden remarks were ambiguous, Obama repeated them more forcefully two days later. So, Romney was indisputably, absolutely wrong when he claimed that Obama took 14 days to call the attack in Benghazi an act of terrorism.

But aside from the factual inaccuracy of his claim, let's examine his intention. He was trying to imply that a sitting president sympathized with the murderers of American public servants overseas. How many of you actually believe this? Honest question. I just want an idea of just how broken our civil discourse has become.










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jonboy
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But when Obama specifically spoke to the Behngazi attack he never used the word "terrorist". He would say "brutal" "senseless" etc. When Obama speaks in general terms he says, "acts of terror". He's using technicalities with language in order to have it both ways.





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I just watched it. He said something generically about "acts of terror," but did not specifically state that the Libya attack was an act of terror.

What a stupid Republican talking point.

The subject of the speech was the Libya attack. Why mention acts of terror AT ALL if Obama didn't intend to characterize it as one?









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baybeefeetz
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this is not a talking point from me. I watched the speech for the first time tonight and gave my analysis of the man's words.

It's ambiguous all around. Seems to me that he didn't know wtf was going on and was covering all bases.

Which is fine with me.






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GRTiger
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So he lied to the UN? What about alluding to the video in the same speech?





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I know what Romney was saying.. and he was correct.. but he missed on what he was trying to say. Which opened the door for Obama and the moderator.

Hopefully they get things corrected during the next debate prep. You know Obama is smiling thinking he got em and will bring it up next debate. Romney needs to be ready to pounce with a better response.






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baybeefeetz
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There it is. Even if you think the rose garden remarks were ambiguous, Obama repeated them more forcefully two days later. So, Romney was indisputably, absolutely wrong when he claimed that Obama took 14 days to call the attack in Benghazi an act of terrorism.



okay. I didn't say anything about the accuracy of Romney's statement.






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baybeefeetz
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What about alluding to the video in the same speech?


just in case, right?






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GRTiger
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I honestly think Obama needs to say he was wrong in his speech, for his own good. I can't imagine the thought process of "whoa, there was a terror attack on American soil in Benhhazi yesterday? Welp, time to go get that money!"







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