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The offensive line was not that bad.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:20 pm
Long time no post...
Some of you may not know enough about football to know that the worst place for pressure to come is up the middle...which our offensive line did not allow on Saturday night.
Yes they were getting pressure from the edge, but that is acceptable, and almost expected. The adjustment made by the coaching was perfect in that they kept backs in to chip.
As far as the penalties, the place was loud, and it took some time for them to adjust. Just look at the 4th quarter where LSU had no penalties.
They'll be just fine.
Some of you may not know enough about football to know that the worst place for pressure to come is up the middle...which our offensive line did not allow on Saturday night.
Yes they were getting pressure from the edge, but that is acceptable, and almost expected. The adjustment made by the coaching was perfect in that they kept backs in to chip.
As far as the penalties, the place was loud, and it took some time for them to adjust. Just look at the 4th quarter where LSU had no penalties.
They'll be just fine.
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Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:22 pm to inebr8ted tiger
well the main problem is that mett is pretty stationary. when flushed he's pretty bad. i think if he would step up in the pocketinstead of out, he'd be more effective.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:24 pm to TDTGodfather
I saw him throw a ball on a rope on a roll out in the spring game. He has the ability to do it. Just needs to practice it more, and get more game reps with it.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:24 pm to inebr8ted tiger
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inebr8ted tiger
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Yes they were getting pressure from the edge, but that is acceptable, and almost expected. The adjustment made by the coaching was perfect in that they kept backs in to chip.
Why wait until the 3rd quarter to help?
Look bottom line someone called a 3rd down play with a 0 backfield and 5 WR's in an obvious down-and-distance situation where everyone knew we were passing.
Keeping the TE or a back in the backfield to either chip or personally protect did not make or break that play.
The expectation for that play in the playbook is for the LT to go one-on-one. That's a dumb coaching move to think 68 can execute against 55 in that situation. If you aren't aware of your player's limitations, or you just flat out don't care, then that's a sign of poor coaching.
Someone saw that play and literally thought it could work. 68's simply not capable of handling that responsibility, and it cost us a shot on the QB, a TO, and 7 points.
Dumb coaching to call that play and there's no excuse for it. Make the adjustment before you see a problem.
Stop playing defense with your offensive adjustments. Start being proactive and we'll see better results.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:24 pm to TDTGodfather
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well the main problem is that mett is pretty stationary
hmmm
not really. He's moved around in the pocket numerous times this year and completed some of those passes.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:29 pm to inebr8ted tiger
I think I would be more concerned about the playcalling. We seem to have resorted to some sort of a primitive, unimaginative scheme with downhill running (mainly toss power out with the 2 TE and FB) and the occasional screen, slants, and go routes. No timing routes, very few crossing patterns, posts, hooks, hitchs etc. In short a poorly coordinated offensive philosophy with a mish mash of zone read, multiple WR sets, and power iso. Just no real identity once the running game gets stopped, no go to receivers or TEs on a crucial third down. Not to mention the execution is just not there.
IMO, and I know I am :beatdeadhorse: but Miles should hire an offensive coordinator who knows what he is doing and GTFO of the way.
IMO, and I know I am :beatdeadhorse: but Miles should hire an offensive coordinator who knows what he is doing and GTFO of the way.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:32 pm to SammyTiger
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I saw him throw a ball on a rope on a roll out in the spring game. He has the ability to do it. Just needs to practice it more, and get more game reps with it.
He needs to do it in the game.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:33 pm to geauxaddai
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Miles should hire an offensive coordinator who knows what he is doing and GTFO of the way.
At this point, I'm not sure its fair to judge whether or not Stud can even do the job. Its obvious someone's spoon is still in the LSU Offense's roux.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:33 pm to GFunk
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Look bottom line someone called a 3rd down play with a 0 backfield and 5 WR's in an obvious down-and-distance situation where everyone knew we were passing.
Keeping the TE or a back in the backfield to either chip or personally protect did not make or break that play.
The expectation for that play in the playbook is for the LT to go one-on-one. That's a dumb coaching move to think 68 can execute against 55 in that situation. If you aren't aware of your player's limitations, or you just flat out don't care, then that's a sign of poor coaching.
Someone saw that play and literally thought it could work. 68's simply not capable of handling that responsibility, and it cost us a shot on the QB, a TO, and 7 points.
Dumb coaching to call that play and there's no excuse for it. Make the adjustment before you see a problem.
Stop playing defense with your offensive adjustments. Start being proactive and we'll see better results.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:35 pm to Papa Tigah
I've seen Mett step up into the pocket several times this year already. Has he been caught flat footed once or twice? yes, but he isnt a tree back there or something.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:35 pm to CP3LSU25
dude go and check all the post and nobody has said one bad word about josh and la'el. It's not the guards that's getting destroyed everytime we dropback to pass.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:45 pm to CP3LSU25
He's nervous on his roll-outs, and loses his mechanics/base. The experience in that atmosphere was good for him. I would say that we need to keep him in the pocket, and hope we can, but Defenses see this, and are going to bring middle blitzes( he needs to be ready).....Hope he is learning exponentially!!!
Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:45 pm to fjohns1
Ok for all you ranters that keep saying miles should hire an offensive coordinator please stop. It always was and always will be les miles offense so please stop blaming stud. We will never and i mean never be the type of offense everyone would love 2 see. We will always be the type of team that plays for championships as long as les miles is here. Why can't we just be grateful for that i just can't understand.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:46 pm to fjohns1
Agree with an earlier post its the play calling. What happened to Hillard? Ware in first three games nothing then he is the back? We did the same thing in the BCS game run it up the middle while they stack 9 in the box. Ware is awesome at that!
Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:49 pm to fjohns1
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We will always be the type of team that plays for championships as long as les miles is here. Why can't we just be grateful for that i just can't understand.
Nobody ever complained about being a championship team, it was only constructive criticism about our offense and what has admittedly stopped us from winning one before. IMO, Miles' understanding of offense is not good enough to gameplan or make adjustments to attack teams who match up well talent wise against LSU.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:51 pm to GFunk
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Look bottom line someone called a 3rd down play with a 0 backfield and 5 WR's in an obvious down-and-distance situation where everyone knew we were passing.
It was like 3rd and 3/4 yds. Per Blackledge, Josh was supposed to cut Lemonier and it was supposed to have been a quick pass. JoshD could have done better but there was enough time for a quick pass. So in addition to the sub-par block, Mett has to do a better job of reading the D, knowing who's open, and getting rid of/protecting the ball.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:51 pm to FuzzyTiger90
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Agree with an earlier post its the play calling. What happened to Hillard? Ware in first three games nothing then he is the back? We did the same thing in the BCS game run it up the middle while they stack 9 in the box. Ware is awesome at that!
The problem is that we do not have a tall WR to make such an downhill passing offense successful. We need timing routes where the QB throws to a spot before the WR makes the cut, while holding the safety. I think in OBJ and Landry we have the perfect WRs and in Zach we have the perfect QB to make it work but in Miles we also have a coach who is too rigid to make such adjustments to his seemingly primitive offensive philosophy.
This post was edited on 9/25/12 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 9/25/12 at 12:57 pm to GFunk
quote:GFunk for OC!
Why wait until the 3rd quarter to help?
Look bottom line someone called a 3rd down play with a 0 backfield and 5 WR's in an obvious down-and-distance situation where everyone knew we were passing.
Keeping the TE or a back in the backfield to either chip or personally protect did not make or break that play.
The expectation for that play in the playbook is for the LT to go one-on-one. That's a dumb coaching move to think 68 can execute against 55 in that situation. If you aren't aware of your player's limitations, or you just flat out don't care, then that's a sign of poor coaching.
Someone saw that play and literally thought it could work. 68's simply not capable of handling that responsibility, and it cost us a shot on the QB, a TO, and 7 points.
Dumb coaching to call that play and there's no excuse for it. Make the adjustment before you see a problem.
Stop playing defense with your offensive adjustments. Start being proactive and we'll see better results.
Oh wait.... Does he have the chest for it?
Probably not!
Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:38 pm to inebr8ted tiger
Mett needs to step forward and make the throw. Not move side to side. He isn't fast and the d ends will catch him. I like the idea of leaving a back in case he needs to dump the pass off, instead of throwing an incompletion.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:45 pm to AlwysATgr
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It was like 3rd and 3/4 yds. Per Blackledge, Josh was supposed to cut Lemonier and it was supposed to have been a quick pass. JoshD could have done better but there was enough time for a quick pass. So in addition to the sub-par block, Mett has to do a better job of reading the D, knowing who's open, and getting rid of/protecting the ball.
Regardless of down/distance, the formation & personnel grouping is a complete tell on the part of the OC in terms of what we're going to do post-snap.
It could've been 2nd and 1 or 3rd & 19. You run 0 backfield w/Mett in the shotgun and you're going to pass the ball.
Its obvious that 68 couldn't even execute against 55 when we asked him to simply cut the guy. That's technique and/or health. Either way, its indicative of what's going to continue to happen when we face guys that USCe, Florida, A&M, & Bama throw at us. These are all teams with a good DL that creates pressure.
This post was edited on 9/25/12 at 1:47 pm
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