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The 3HotD -

Y'alls' remarks got me thinking...of the three candidates Jrod put forth, they are all "of Rhaegar's line", if it can be assumed this doesn't necessarily mean offspring (Dany) but all are at least Targs, and rather close in kinship. Of course this Targ qualification isn't intended to apply to tHotD, only to TPtwP - who we assume is one of the 3.

Interesting though, that Rhaegar seems to be a central point to tHotD nonetheless...presuming that Jon = AA, and the truth of "the equation" seem to lock down his spot, Dany is currently an active rider, besides, I agree that Rhaegar basically told her that her spot is secure...but Aegon is either gone, or an imposter, or both... leaving that last spot open.

We mentioned Tyrion, Victarion, Bran, Rickon, Arya, Hot Pie even...but I'm surprised noone mentioned the only other character to whom Rhaegar appeared...and spoke directly to...?

And remember, Targ lineage is not a pre-req of a Dragon Rider, so I ain't pushing any crack-infused-agenda here...but the other 2 "lock-downs" fit that bill, so...

Tyrion can design him a special one-handed dragon rein.






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that would be pretty funny. He had his own horse saddles custom made but who would even know about dragon saddles? Will Samwell go look that up in a book in the Citadel for that?


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And remember, Targ lineage is not a pre-req of a Dragon Rider,

And Martin may not even be talking about an actual dragon... It's interesting that there presently 3 living Master of Coin(present and formers)... And the formers being major players and head of the Gold Dragon.

Little Finger
Tyrion
Harys Swift(replaced Rosby after his death)

Probably nothing to this but something to keep an eye on if Swift is replaced because of death.

ETA: From the Hedge Knight
quote:

He had never tasted gold before, nor handled it. “Dragons,” men called the coins, since they were stamped with the three-headed dragon of House Targaryen on one side. The other bore the likeness of the king.



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And the formers being major players and head of the Gold Dragon.


Not counting anything out at this point, but that would be incredibly disappointing






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Interesting .





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Danerys Targaryen
Aegon VI (not to be confused with Young Griff*)
Jon Snow

Not to be confused with potential dragon riders; which would be a different debate altogether (or maybe not).

This topic comes up quite frequently on ASOIAF discussion boards. And quite frankly, I am always a bit surprised that anyone would suggest that there other options for the 3HofD.

It appears to me that all of the facts are pretty well laid out for this one. The prophesy from the House of the Undying makes it very clear that Aegon and and Dany are two of the 3HotD. And everything we know about Jon, including R + L = J, solidfy him as being the third.

Do we have a consensus?


Well, count me as a dissenting vote, because I think you have the same person listed twice. I think that Jon Snow is the Aegon from the vision and the woman in the bed was Lyanna. Again, "the Song of Ice and Fire", Lyanna is Ice and Rhaegar is Fire. I still believe that we'll have another Ice and Fire with Dany and Jon, but I'm less sure of that than I am about Jon being Aegon.






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I wonder if the Others will have any kind of weapon on a par with the Dragons.

Unless they plan to just have the Dragons arrive at the last minute to save the day or one or two of the dragons don't make it to the battle, it seems like they would be a pretty overwhelming advantage against the Others.






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If the others manage to kill a dragon they will then have a dragon wight





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And can a dragon wight still breath fire?

Perhaps they just deliver a blast of cold wind that freezes you.






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Never thought about the HotU vision in that context. When I read ACOK, I always assumed it was Elia and Aegon, and Rhaegar basically alluding to how he needs another child but Elia can't have any more children, which brings Jon into being the PtwP and HotD.

But Rhaegar died before Lyanna did, and never got to meet Jon.

My question is, what happens if Lyanna lived? Would Ned have protected her by sending her and baby Jon to Essos, similar to Aegon? I can't imagine that Ned would let Robert kill his nephew and Lyanna.

And if Elia and her 2 kids as well as Rhaella lived, would Elia, Rhaenys, Aegon, Rhaella, Viserys, Dany, Lyanna, & Jon live in some sort of Targaryen stronghold elsewhere?

Also, would Robert still have wanted Lyanna if he knew she had a baby with Rhaegar? Something tells me 'hell no.' This opens up a huge can of worms. Now I see why Lyanna had to die in labor. Easier for GRRM to write and set up his story .



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If the others manage to kill a dragon they will then have a dragon wight

Danny will attack with a Dragon mowing down Others.
Others finally kill the dragon and make it a wight.
Jon wargs the dragon wight and turns it back on the Others.
Bran then trumps Jon and turns the dragon wight back on mankind.
Lady Stonewhatever then kills Bran thus saving Jon. But she still doesn't like him.
The end.






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I seriously want Lady Stoneheart to come into contact with one of her children. My bets are on either Sansa or Arya. I wonder if it would change her thirst for Frey Bolton Lannister blood and want to become dead again and finally have closure knowing that her other kids are still alive.

Also, I see the whole Bran being Bloodraven's pawn/protege coming into play and seeing him possibly backing out of it once he finds out BR's true intentions (that is, if he's not brainwashed). Would BR kill him then? I think Bran has the worst odds of not making it out of the remaining Stark kids. I think Rickon and Sansa have the best odds at living out of the remaining kids. Arya is a toss-up. I think Jon will be reborn with Mel's help. If he does die again before the end of the series, it will be in a badass way.



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I'll be honest - I really can't put my finger on what GRRM has planned with the whole Bran, CotF, Bloodraven, Coldhands storyline. The motivations of most of those entities hasn't really been worked up much at all.

With Lady Stoneheart - I'd like to see her somehow get the drop on either Ramsey or Roose (most likely Ramsey since he's so much more hot headed and thus more careless).






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I think some combination of Ramsay, Roose, Walder Frey, Tommen, Cersei, and LF will die next book. Maybe not all of them will die in book 6, but at least half. Stoneheart will die before it's all said and done as well. Some Greyjoys will die soon too.





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The only Greyjoy I see living until the end is Asha.





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But Rhaegar died before Lyanna did, and never got to meet Jon.


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I see why Lyanna had to die in labor. Easier for GRRM to write and set up his story .



...and why does everyone assume that she died in child birth? here's the more likely story:

R&L were in love and were secretly together, maybe even wed, even though he already had a wife and she was engaged. Remember, it wasn't unprecedented for Targs to have more than one spouse. They had their love nest in Dorne. This would also explain why there were members of the Kingsgaurd protecting her.

My theory is that Aegon had already been born. If they were secretly wed, that would be important because otherwise Aegon would have been a bastard rather than a prince.

Unfortunately, Robert was still in love with Lyanna and wasn't going to let a little thing like her being in love with another stop him from claiming his bride. He claimed that she had been abducted, which was better than suffering the insult of having been jilted, and went to war to win her back. Since Lyanna had disappeared with Rhaegar, Ned believed Robert's account of how things went down.

So, Rhaegar leaves Lyanna and their new son to face Robert and dies in the battle of the Trident. When he dies, it rains red rubies (fire) from his shattered breastplate.

Ned races to Dorne thinking that he is rescuing Lyanna. News has reached her that Rhaegar is dead, and she believes that they have come to force her to marry Robert. She knows that her son, who is an heir to the throne, is also in grave danger if Robert finds out about him. Grief stricken, she takes her own life (stabs self, cuts wrists or the like). Ned finds her dying and she tells him the truth and makes him swear to protect her son Aegon. As she dies, she drops the blue rose petals that she had been clutching (ice).

Afterward, Eddard takes Aegon to Winterfell. He can't very well say who he really is, and calling him Aegon would be kind of a giveaway, so he claims that he is his own bastard and calls him Jon Snow.



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Agree that at least some of these will probably bite the dust.

Tommen I think is a given, just because of Maggie the Frog's prophecy (along with Myrcella I think).

Walder Frey really doesn't serve much more of a purpose other than getting killed probably in some pretty grisly way because of the whole guest rights thing.

Ramsay almost has to go down. He's just too evil. Reading some of GRMM's short fiction, people that do bad things do often get theirs, just not early on in stories.

Roose, I'd kind of like to see stick around for awhile. With Tywin down, I'd like to see someone with ruthless but effective tactics running around.

Cersei and LF - I gotta admit both kind of bore me so I can't put a finger on where their arcs are leading.






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I really can't put my finger on what GRRM has planned with the whole Bran, CotF, Bloodraven, Coldhands storyline. The motivations of most of those entities hasn't really been worked up much at all.


At least in the short run, I think that it's a device. Bran can now look back in time through the Weirwoods and Bloodraven is there to help translate what he's seeing. I think this is how we get the whole backstory, particularly Jon's back story mentioned above.

I still believe he wargs with Danys dragons.






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Why do people automatically think Bloodraven has bad motives? (Note: I've only read D&E once, while on a plane, so pardon any errors in my comprehension.) Bloodraven was talked about negatively by some in the Dunk and Egg stories but other than using magic didn't seem to be all that evil once we finally met him. Likely people just feared him and talked bad about him because he was so powerful and as Hand would use his power from a highly visible position. Of course those on the Blackfyre side would talk negatively of him. Am I missing something that should be easily seen?





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