If Miami's Sanctions Drop Soon...

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If Miami gets something equivalent to what Penn State got

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Not gonna happen. It's going to be more like what Ohio State got.

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Not gonna happen. It's going to be more like what Ohio State got.

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Makes complete sense since Miami's players were breaking the rules whereas Penn State's POS coach was touching little boys. It would be a joke if the NCAA lays the hammer down on PSU for something that had nothing to do with football (as egregious as it was) and lays down a much lighter sentence on Miami for illegalities its players and former players partook in.

Yeah, still doesn't mean the NCAA didn't overstep their boundaries. Oh well..at least it wasn't us.

They should dig a deep hole and throw dirt over penn state on principle alone. Miami isn't in the same universe of trouble

Is Shapiro ever going to write his book?

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Do you not think Shapiro paying for abortions is right up there? Don't get me wrong, the Sandusky cover up was probably the worst scandal in recent memory, regardless of whether or not it was sport-related. However, how many of the current and former players do you think were aware of what was happening? I agree with the vacated wins during the time period, the bowl ban and tv ban, and even a one year reduction in schollys, but what they got was basically a death sentence for the football program.

At Miami, the players knowingly accepted an extravagant lifestyle funded solely by a POS who started a ponzi scheme. Although the Sandusky case may seem significantly worse, morally, fact of the matter is that Miami had far more participants in the Shapiro scandal. Participants who were responsible for bringing in millions in revenue to the university. It almost mirrors what SMU was doing in the early 80s, except add clubs, hookers and blow to the mix.

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You make a good case for Miami suffering draconian sanctions prolly in excess of Southern Cal. It seems the death penalty is off the table for everyone. Southern Cal was already on probation when the university failed to maintain institutional control (their compliance office was comparable to a junior college and their performance worse). The death penalty was clearly applicable (technically repeat offenders), but the NCAA chose not to exercise that option. Likewise, Penn State could have suffered that sentence, but the NCAA chose to double the Trojan penalties on Penn State. So, Miami prolly won't suffer the death penalty either. My factually unsupported guess is the Miami sanctions will be something in between Southern Cal's and Penn State's and closer to Penn State's.

As for the abortion aspect and the moral equivalence to the unconscionable actions of the Penn State brass for over a decade, that's a hard call. Legally, Miami is clearly the lesser rogue. Is killing the unborn more heinous than destroying the lives of innocents in that particularly revolting manner? Reasonable people in good faith can disagree. It will be interesting to see how the NCAA values it all in their announcement/decree.

Regarding the innocence of the Penn State community as a whole, doubts exist in me. My son attended Penn State for a 2-year Masters' program several years ago. He reports that there was an ice cream dish available on campus named after Sandusky and it was sexually explicit, depicting male genitalia. He didn't know why then, but we all know why now. Surely there was some understanding at-large that Sandusky's sexuality was not ordinary/normal. Who knew what? Again, guessing, players in the program prolly knew more about Sandusky than a newcomer whose social circle was other newcomers largely engaged in a rigorous course of study. Their penalties do not cause me to feel pangs of unfairness, especially since they were willing to sacrifice children to maintain their national image/attractiveness to recruits.

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He reports that there was an ice cream dish available on campus named after Sandusky and it was sexually explicit, depicting male genitalia.

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What in the frick is wrong with those people?

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You make a good case for Miami suffering draconian sanctions prolly in excess of Southern Cal. It seems the death penalty is off the table for everyone. Southern Cal was already on probation when the university failed to maintain institutional control (their compliance office was comparable to a junior college and their performance worse). The death penalty was clearly applicable (technically repeat offenders), but the NCAA chose not to exercise that option. Likewise, Penn State could have suffered that sentence, but the NCAA chose to double the Trojan penalties on Penn State. So, Miami prolly won't suffer the death penalty either. My factually unsupported guess is the Miami sanctions will be something in between Southern Cal's and Penn State's and closer to Penn State's.

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This is what I expect to happen as well. I have a hard time seeing the NCAA come down with the hammer on two major programs within the same time frame.

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As for the abortion aspect and the moral equivalence to the unconscionable actions of the Penn State brass for over a decade, that's a hard call. Legally, Miami is clearly the lesser rogue. Is killing the unborn more heinous than destroying the lives of innocents in that particularly revolting manner? Reasonable people in good faith can disagree. It will be interesting to see how the NCAA values it all in their announcement/decree.

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It definitely depends on which issue weighs more heavily on the people making the judgment. In this case, I believe that a child molester will seem much more atrocious than a man who funded amateur athletes to live rockstar lifestyles.

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Regarding the innocence of the Penn State community as a whole, doubts exist in me. My son attended Penn State for a 2-year Masters' program several years ago. He reports that there was an ice cream dish available on campus named after Sandusky and it was sexually explicit, depicting male genitalia. He didn't know why then, but we all know why now. Surely there was some understanding at-large that Sandusky's sexuality was not ordinary/normal. Who knew what? Again, guessing, players in the program prolly knew more about Sandusky than a newcomer whose social circle was other newcomers largely engaged in a rigorous course of study. Their penalties do not cause me to feel pangs of unfairness, especially since they were willing to sacrifice children to maintain their national image/attractiveness to recruits.

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That is absolutely appalling, especially the ice cream dish. If you are right that players were involved in the cover up, than certainly this punishment is fitting. But that would require a deeper probe into the PSU program, and in all honesty, I think they are done with investigating for the time being. But overall, you make good points. I only suggested that Miami get hit hard because their players were found to have broken NCAA rules. In the PSU case, no players had been proven guilty of breaking NCAA rules, just people in administrative positions. But since PSU just got hit as hard as anyone in recent year, I agree with you that I can see Miami's sanctions falling in between USCw and PSU, leaning more toward PSU.