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| SIAP Slashfilm: 15 things that bothered us about TDKR *SPOILERS!* (Posted on 7/24/12 at 10:20 am)
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i did a search of the URL on here and came up empty, so if germans, then GFY.
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DestrehanTiger 
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| re: SIAP Slashfilm: 15 things that bothered us about TDKR *SPOILERS!* (Posted on 7/24/12 at 10:23 am to The Egg)
I have a problem with the first one.
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She and Bruce seem to be around the same age so, that was about 15 years before Bruce met R’as in his late 20s. Bruce then kills Ra’s mere months later at which point Ra’s finds out Bruce is Batman. So did Ra’s call his daughter at some point in this small window, tell her Bruce is Batman, then give her the idea to become a Wayne Enterprise Board Member (even though the nuclear device didn’t exist yet) as a long con back up if his plan in Batman Begins failed?
I seem to remember Ra's basically knowing Bruce was Batman before arriving in Gotham.
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| re: SIAP Slashfilm: 15 things that bothered us about TDKR *SPOILERS!* (Posted on 7/24/12 at 10:29 am to DestrehanTiger)
I thought Catwoman got the fingerprints during the movie?
Perhaps Talia told them where applied sciences was since they trusted her, they did show her the nuke, so why not that as well?
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| re: SIAP Slashfilm: 15 things that bothered us about TDKR *SPOILERS!* (Posted on 7/24/12 at 10:32 am to The Egg)
That looks like it was written by a 10 year old...they should hire an editor. That being said, I agree with these:
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As with many elements of Nolan’s film, the prison is more of an idea than an actual place that makes sense.
I did get that sense watching it as well. The idea seems cool, but it doesn't make much sense within the movie at all.
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The Post-Bane Gotham Feels Totally Fake - Sure, it’s cinematic to have Scarecrow hosting weird trials and sending people off into icy exile. But after that initial, effective sequence of watching rich people ripped out of their homes on 5th avenue, nothing about this Gotham feels real anymore. The streets are barren, but nearly pristine. We see only rare glimpses of the occasional Tumbler patrol. Emergency relief trucks pull up with ease. There seems to be no disorder on the streets, but hell breaks loose indoors on a regular basis. This never felt like a fully-realized place, only a series of gorgeous tableaus.
This was one of my biggest gripes while watching the movie. It just felt so forced, fake, and stupid. I didn't buy for a second that it could actually happen (which Nolan usually does a good job of within this world he created, actually), and it just seemed completely odd.
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Are the Gotham City Police Department and CIA Really THAT Dumb? – Why would they send every member of the Gotham City Police Department, including the SWAT Team, into the sewers? Seems like a stupid move that wouldn’t be made by any reputable agency of law enforcement. But to make matters worse, in The Dark Knight Rises, the GCPD aren’t the only stupid government agency. In the opening prologue, the CIA agent allows hooded thugs on board a CIA plane without even finding out who the men are. Then, minutes later, the CIA airplane is unable to detect the huge non-stealth plane flying towards them.
Another thing I didn't care for.
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| re: SIAP Slashfilm: 15 things that bothered us about TDKR *SPOILERS!* (Posted on 7/24/12 at 10:33 am to The Egg)
what did YOU think egg?
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| re: SIAP Slashfilm: 15 things that bothered us about TDKR *SPOILERS!* (Posted on 7/24/12 at 10:36 am to DestrehanTiger)
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I seem to remember Ra's basically knowing Bruce was Batman before arriving in Gotham.
You are correct.
Ducard: But is Ra's al Ghul immortal? Are his methods supernatural?
Wayne: Or cheap parlor tricks to conceal your true identity....Ra's.
Ducard: Surely a man who spends his nights scrambling over the rooftops of Gotham wouldn't begrudge me duel identities.
That implies that Ra's knew Bruce was Batman all along. I have no doubt all of the League of Shadows knew as well.
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| re: SIAP Slashfilm: 15 things that bothered us about TDKR *SPOILERS!* (Posted on 7/24/12 at 10:38 am to CocomoLSU)
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CocomoLSU
Everything you said,
Actually, I just went through again, and most of the stuff bothered me too. Soem of the things are a bit nitpicky, but the majority are just pointing out some of the lazy writing
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| re: SIAP Slashfilm: 15 things that bothered us about TDKR *SPOILERS!* (Posted on 7/24/12 at 10:39 am to BilJ)
think i agree with what you said in the reviews thread...came in expecting to be wowed, but needed to temper it to enjoy it.
i gave it a 7.5/10, but would probably be better on second viewing.
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| re: SIAP Slashfilm: 15 things that bothered us about TDKR *SPOILERS!* (Posted on 7/24/12 at 10:44 am to The Egg)
The worst part of this movie, the part that truly took away from the believability of the story, was the love stories. No development of Talia and Bruce, who in the comics actually have a kid together. No development of Selina and Bruce, yet Bruce ends up halfway across the world with her (and oh, happens to run into Alfred...). These were seriously the most ridiculous parts of the movie and they caused me to pull away from the believability of all of it. After Bruce told Talia they could be together after this whole mess was done with in his post-coital bliss, I was immediately taken out of the movie. Everything seemed forced after that. Which is sad because all in all, it was a good movie. Well thought out plot and great job by the actors, imo.
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| re: SIAP Slashfilm: 15 things that bothered us about TDKR *SPOILERS!* (Posted on 7/24/12 at 10:52 am to LoveThatMoney)
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No development of Talia and Bruce, who in the comics actually have a kid together.
The Talia and Bruce relationship can easily be explained away as a fling. She comes into Bruce's mansion at a very vulnerable moment. Alfred, his surrogate father, has just abandoned him, he has just lost his company and his money as well. So in walks Miranda Tate, a woman who has known him for at least three years, and a woman who is obviously sexually attracted to him. Bruce Wayne has been holed up in his house for three years, and hasn't been interested in a woman nor has had sex with a woman in all that time. With all that taken into account, him sleeping with her and wanting to run off with her isn't that unbelievable.
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No development of Selina and Bruce, yet Bruce ends up halfway across the world with her (and oh, happens to run into Alfred...).
I agree that Bruce and Selina's relationship doesn't make sense in the grand scheme of things but I think they ending up together halfway around the world is merely symbolic. They both wanted a clean slate, to move on with their lives. Alfred wanted Bruce to end up successful, in peace, with a family. That's what that final shot symbolizes. Bruce has made it. He's hung up the cape and cowl for good and has moved on from the death of his parents, from a life of crime fighting. Alfred's fantasy has become reality and Alfred is happier for it. Alfred can move on in his life, finally, knowing that the person he cared for the most has achieved happiness and bliss in a life filled with nothing but tragedy and despair.
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| re: SIAP Slashfilm: 15 things that bothered us about TDKR *SPOILERS!* (Posted on 7/24/12 at 10:53 am to The Egg)
it was very hard for this movie to meet expectations as the bar was set high, but I really felt it would come closer than it did. Some of the major problems in this one are easily fixed by a better script writer.
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| re: SIAP Slashfilm: 15 things that bothered us about TDKR *SPOILERS!* (Posted on 7/24/12 at 11:12 am to RollTide1987)
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You are correct.
Ducard: But is Ra's al Ghul immortal? Are his methods supernatural?
Wayne: Or cheap parlor tricks to conceal your true identity....Ra's.
Ducard: Surely a man who spends his nights scrambling over the rooftops of Gotham wouldn't begrudge me duel identities.
That implies that Ra's knew Bruce was Batman all along. I have no doubt all of the League of Shadows knew as well.
Or pretty much the firt few scenes of the movie. Ra's sitting in the cell saying something like "you didnt think bruce wayne could disapper and noone would notice did you?" Doubt I got that quote right. Then he trains him to basically be Batman. Hes not that dumb. Then him busting in his house shows that im sure he knew all along.
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| re: SIAP Slashfilm: 15 things that bothered us about TDKR *SPOILERS!* (Posted on 7/24/12 at 11:18 am to Carson123987)
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lazy writing
I got slammed for saying this right after seeing the movie but I stand by it.
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| re: SIAP Slashfilm: 15 things that bothered us about TDKR *SPOILERS!* (Posted on 7/24/12 at 11:45 am to theunknownknight)
I don't know what exactly happened between TDK and Rises, but it seems like they had to make up some story to make this whole thing work. Maybe they wrote this script a long time ago, but it feels like they didn't. I honestly don't know. I know ledger died, but I don't know if that played a role. I'm sure one of the behind the scenes followers can answer.
But to me, this movie just didn't jive with the other two. Maybe it was the 8 year gap; I don't know. It just wasn't on par, imo. I know many think otherwise, but that is my feeling after one viewing.
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| re: SIAP Slashfilm: 15 things that bothered us about TDKR *SPOILERS!* (Posted on 7/24/12 at 11:48 am to Archie Bengal Bunker)
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But to me, this movie just didn't jive with the other two. Maybe it was the 8 year gap; I don't know. It just wasn't on par, imo. I know many think otherwise, but that is my feeling after one viewing.
It's not just you; I agree. It's an awesome movie, but definitely not as good as the first two IMO. But like I've said, I plan on seeing it again and maybe will feel differently after seeing it more than once.
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| re: SIAP Slashfilm: 15 things that bothered us about TDKR *SPOILERS!* (Posted on 7/24/12 at 11:48 am to Archie Bengal Bunker)
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I know ledger died, but I don't know if that played a role
I think it did, and it affected the ending of TDK as well.
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| re: SIAP Slashfilm: 15 things that bothered us about TDKR *SPOILERS!* (Posted on 7/24/12 at 11:51 am to LoveThatMoney)
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No development of Selina and Bruce, yet Bruce ends up halfway across the world with her (and oh, happens to run into Alfred...).
This isn't a plot hole or mere coincidence either way you look at it.
Alfred told Bruce earlier in the film that before Batman Begins when Bruce was away, Alfred would go to a cafe in Florence and picture seeing Bruce there, living his life away from Gotham and moving on. They even showed Alfred's past experience looking for Bruce there, and having the wrong guy.
So the end scene is either Bruce going to that cafe so Alfred would see him, knowing he was alright OR Alfred imagined it, knowing that Bruce even in death is free of Batman and the pain of his life. Either way, its perfectly fine and was foreshadowed earlier in the film.
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| re: SIAP Slashfilm: 15 things that bothered us about TDKR *SPOILERS!* (Posted on 7/24/12 at 11:52 am to CocomoLSU)
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But like I've said, I plan on seeing it again and maybe will feel differently after seeing it more than once.
I'll see it again when it hits the true IMAX here, and maybe it just needs a second viewing. Others have said the 2nd viewing is better (crazy to have already seen this movie twice lol).
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| re: SIAP Slashfilm: 15 things that bothered us about TDKR *SPOILERS!* (Posted on 7/24/12 at 11:54 am to Archie Bengal Bunker)
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I'll see it again when it hits the true IMAX here
I saw it in true IMAX and it was cool...but I'll never watch a premiere that way again. Way too much distortion and some of the non-action scenes were tough to follow.
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| re: SIAP Slashfilm: 15 things that bothered us about TDKR *SPOILERS!* (Posted on 7/24/12 at 12:11 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker)
The fighting was pretty bad. During one of the scenes, you can actually see a guy bent over waiting for batman to finish off his buddy, and as soon as batman knocks the guy out, he springs into action. Kinda felt like I was watching the Royal Rumble.
But, the one thing that I'm surprised isn't onthe list is the fact that Bane's scientist turned the nuclear reactor into a bomb in less time than it takes to cook a frozen pizza. I actually chuckled in the theater, because it seemed like they just pulled the whole, "cross the red wire with the blue wire" trick.
Still thought the movie was awesome, though.
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