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"Finch" (several scouts) take on the prospects

Posted on 6/27/12 at 11:26 am
Posted by Jester
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Posted on 6/27/12 at 11:26 am
An idea of how several scouts feel about top prospects

ETA:

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Andre Drummond, 7-foot center, UConn: "Physically, he's off the charts. I personally don't like him, but it scares me to death to not like him. He's so big, agile and athletic, and by all accounts he's a great, great guy. I don't think he's immature, he's just underdeveloped. The question is whether he loves to play and how hard will he work. People forget he made his decision to go to UConn late and he had some NCAA issues, so he didn't get a normal preseason."


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John Henson, 6-10 forward, North Carolina: "His body has gotten better, although he still needs to work on it. He's a solid rotation player. His shot is greatly improved from his freshman year. He's not Ray Allen or anything, but he's not Reggie Evans anymore, either. I worry about kids who have high centers of gravity, because that usually means they have poor balance."


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Perry Jones, 6-11 forward, Baylor: "He's such a neat kid and you root for him, but how do you have that skill set and be that inconsistent? Over 82 games, there will be 30 where you're going to wonder if he's even on your team. He is who he is. He makes plays that take your breath away, and then he disappears for a while. You see him get his arse kicked by Kevin Jones or Thomas Robinson or Jeff Withey and you wonder when things are going to click."


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Meyers Leonard, 7-1 center, Illinois: "Physically, he's Tyson Chandler. He has probably helped himself as much as anyone since the season ended. He's 255 pounds, but he can probably play at 265. He's intriguing, but he's very emotional. He's not a bad kid, not malicious at all, not a party guy. People don't want another Darko, but I think he likes the game more than Darko did."


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Damian Lillard, 6-3 guard, Weber State: "He's the most unselfish scoring point guard I have ever seen. He's a great kid -- a great kid. He played more like a two in college, but he played on a team where if he didn't score 24 points, they wouldn't have won a game. Who was he supposed to pass to? He has a little bit of a chip on his shoulder, like he's out to prove people wrong."


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Kendall Marshall, 6-4 guard, North Carolina: "I don't think he's going to make a poor team a lot better, but if you put him on a team like Oklahoma City or Philadelphia, where he's surrounded by a bunch of athletes, then he can really make them better. He's not a bad shooter. If someone leaves him open, he can knock down a few jumpers. My concern about him is the other side of the ball. Will he be capable of defending quick point guards? He doesn't have great speed, but he knows how to play fast."



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Austin Rivers, 6-3 guard, Duke: "My biggest concern with him is size. He's never going to be a pure point because it's not in his personality. He's a capable passer, but he hasn't been a willing passer. He's hard to play with, frankly, because he dominates the ball. It depends on who the coach is. I did not like what I saw at Duke. I thought he was spoiled and selfish. He's a streaky outside shooter, not a great one."


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Jared Sullinger, 6-9 forward, Ohio State: "He's as good a basketball player as there is in the draft. The bottom line is he can score. Weight will always be an issue with him, and heavy guys historically end up having problems. I know he failed the NBA doctors' physicals, but our doctors did not fail him. You have to take all of that into account, but I still think he's talented."


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Dion Waiters, 6-4 guard, Syracuse: "I'm a big fan. He's Dwyane Wade-ish. I don't know if he's pure enough to be a two, but he's just a baller. And he definitely has a little toughness in him. The only drawback is he's a little small, but he's thick, and he's a surly guy. He'll be an East Coast version of Rodney Stuckey. I would take him over Jeremy Lamb five times a day."


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Tyler Zeller, 7-foot center, North Carolina: "Beast. I personally have him in the top seven. He's a 13- to 14-year NBA center. He can shoot, he's strong, he runs. Everybody complains they can never find a center. Well, here he is. There's absolutely no scenario where he's not going to succeed."


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Festus Ezeli, 6-11 center, Vanderbilt: "I've watched that guy a lot. I don't know what he's doing sometimes, but he's got a great body. He's a big, big man. Thick and strong, and he uses his size. If you're picking at number 26, and you're looking for a big backup center, he's a good pick."


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Scott Machado, 6-2 guard, Iona: "He's a second-round pick. The system he played in at Iona made him look pretty good."


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Arnett Moultrie, 6-11 forward, Mississippi State: "He's the same type of player as Taj Gibson, who's doing well. I don't know that he has a ton of improvement ahead of him, but he has a complete game and will rebound. He's a little slight. You think he's 250 and he's really 230. He doesn't have a motor, which is a problem."


I'd take a Taj Gibson clone
This post was edited on 6/27/12 at 12:24 pm
Posted by Suntiger
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Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 6/27/12 at 12:04 pm to
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Anthony Davis, 6-10 forward, Kentucky: "I have zero red flags. People say strength, but he's no weaker than Kevin Durant was. Whatever 'it' is, this kid's got it. He has a little bit of Duncan and a little bit of a Durant. The sky's the limit."


Posted by Jester
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Member since Feb 2006
34320 posts
Posted on 6/27/12 at 12:10 pm to
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Andre Drummond, 7-foot center, UConn: "Physically, he's off the charts. I personally don't like him, but it scares me to death to not like him. He's so big, agile and athletic, and by all accounts he's a great, great guy. I don't think he's immature, he's just underdeveloped. The question is whether he loves to play and how hard will he work. People forget he made his decision to go to UConn late and he had some NCAA issues, so he didn't get a normal preseason."
This post was edited on 6/27/12 at 12:11 pm
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34320 posts
Posted on 6/27/12 at 12:11 pm to
quote:

John Henson, 6-10 forward, North Carolina: "His body has gotten better, although he still needs to work on it. He's a solid rotation player. His shot is greatly improved from his freshman year. He's not Ray Allen or anything, but he's not Reggie Evans anymore, either. I worry about kids who have high centers of gravity, because that usually means they have poor balance."


quote:

Perry Jones, 6-11 forward, Baylor: "He's such a neat kid and you root for him, but how do you have that skill set and be that inconsistent? Over 82 games, there will be 30 where you're going to wonder if he's even on your team. He is who he is. He makes plays that take your breath away, and then he disappears for a while. You see him get his arse kicked by Kevin Jones or Thomas Robinson or Jeff Withey and you wonder when things are going to click."


quote:

Meyers Leonard, 7-1 center, Illinois: "Physically, he's Tyson Chandler. He has probably helped himself as much as anyone since the season ended. He's 255 pounds, but he can probably play at 265. He's intriguing, but he's very emotional. He's not a bad kid, not malicious at all, not a party guy. People don't want another Darko, but I think he likes the game more than Darko did."
This post was edited on 6/27/12 at 12:15 pm
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
20024 posts
Posted on 6/27/12 at 12:12 pm to
I think this was posted yesterday, good read though
Posted by Studmuffin09
Member since Feb 2011
58 posts
Posted on 6/27/12 at 12:12 pm to
Surprised he had zeller so high. Been hearing that he will be a career backup center from a lot of "experts." I actually really like zeller's game
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34320 posts
Posted on 6/27/12 at 12:14 pm to
quote:




FIFY

Posted by floridatigah
FL
Member since Oct 2004
10395 posts
Posted on 6/27/12 at 12:14 pm to
Pretty fair analysis of Drummond. I think he's fallen into his correct draft position, somewhere between 6-10.
Posted by Suntiger
BR or somewhere else
Member since Feb 2007
32966 posts
Posted on 6/27/12 at 12:16 pm to
Some others of interest:




quote:

Andre Drummond, 7-foot center, UConn: "Physically, he's off the charts. I personally don't like him, but it scares me to death to not like him. He's so big, agile and athletic, and by all accounts he's a great, great guy. I don't think he's immature, he's just underdeveloped. The question is whether he loves to play and how hard will he work. People forget he made his decision to go to UConn late and he had some NCAA issues, so he didn't get a normal preseason."

quote:

Festus Ezeli, 6-11 center, Vanderbilt: "I've watched that guy a lot. I don't know what he's doing sometimes, but he's got a great body. He's a big, big man. Thick and strong, and he uses his size. If you're picking at number 26, and you're looking for a big backup center, he's a good pick."

quote:

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, 6-7 forward, Kentucky: "Your first reaction is how hard he plays. He's not crazy long, but he's long enough. He's not a great shooter, but when guys work that hard, they tend to get better. He's as athletic as Gerald Wallace, but he's a better shooter. He needs to work on his shooting and his ballhandling is just average."

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Doron Lamb, 6-5 guard, Kentucky: "Very solid basketball player. Can shoot it, defend. He'd be a good combo guard coming off the bench."

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Jeremy Lamb, 6-5 guard, UConn: "That kid can really play. His facial appearance and body language makes it appear that he doesn't care, but he does. His body is no worse than Rip Hamilton's was. When he played for the under-19 team in Lithuania, it was a tough final game, and he was the best player on the floor. It wasn't even close. He had a tough year at UConn, but it's not his fault."


quote:

Meyers Leonard, 7-1 center, Illinois: "Physically, he's Tyson Chandler. He has probably helped himself as much as anyone since the season ended. He's 255 pounds, but he can probably play at 265. He's intriguing, but he's very emotional. He's not a bad kid, not malicious at all, not a party guy. People don't want another Darko, but I think he likes the game more than Darko did."

quote:

Damian Lillard, 6-3 guard, Weber State: "He's the most unselfish scoring point guard I have ever seen. He's a great kid -- a great kid. He played more like a two in college, but he played on a team where if he didn't score 24 points, they wouldn't have won a game. Who was he supposed to pass to? He has a little bit of a chip on his shoulder, like he's out to prove people wrong."


quote:

Kendall Marshall, 6-4 guard, North Carolina: "I don't think he's going to make a poor team a lot better, but if you put him on a team like Oklahoma City or Philadelphia, where he's surrounded by a bunch of athletes, then he can really make them better. He's not a bad shooter. If someone leaves him open, he can knock down a few jumpers. My concern about him is the other side of the ball. Will he be capable of defending quick point guards? He doesn't have great speed, but he knows how to play fast."



quote:

Austin Rivers, 6-3 guard, Duke: "My biggest concern with him is size. He's never going to be a pure point because it's not in his personality. He's a capable passer, but he hasn't been a willing passer. He's hard to play with, frankly, because he dominates the ball. It depends on who the coach is. I did not like what I saw at Duke. I thought he was spoiled and selfish. He's a streaky outside shooter, not a great one."



quote:

Jared Sullinger, 6-9 forward, Ohio State: "He's as good a basketball player as there is in the draft. The bottom line is he can score. Weight will always be an issue with him, and heavy guys historically end up having problems. I know he failed the NBA doctors' physicals, but our doctors did not fail him. You have to take all of that into account, but I still think he's talented."



quote:

Dion Waiters, 6-4 guard, Syracuse: "I'm a big fan. He's Dwyane Wade-ish. I don't know if he's pure enough to be a two, but he's just a baller. And he definitely has a little toughness in him. The only drawback is he's a little small, but he's thick, and he's a surly guy. He'll be an East Coast version of Rodney Stuckey. I would take him over Jeremy Lamb five times a day."



quote:

Tyler Zeller, 7-foot center, North Carolina: "Beast. I personally have him in the top seven. He's a 13- to 14-year NBA center. He can shoot, he's strong, he runs. Everybody complains they can never find a center. Well, here he is. There's absolutely no scenario where he's not going to succeed."


Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34320 posts
Posted on 6/27/12 at 12:17 pm to
quote:

Some others of interest:


I was just getting around to adding to the OP. I'll add any that were mentioned as targets.
Posted by floridatigah
FL
Member since Oct 2004
10395 posts
Posted on 6/27/12 at 12:17 pm to
quote:

Darius Johnson-Odom, 6-3 guard, Marquette: "He's a killer. I like him. He's going to will himself into our league. He can score, he can guard, and he'll make your practices better."


If the Hornets go with a center with the 2nd pick, I think DJO would be a good pick in the 2nd round.
Posted by Suntiger
BR or somewhere else
Member since Feb 2007
32966 posts
Posted on 6/27/12 at 12:18 pm to
quote:

I was just getting around to adding to the OP. I'll add any that were mentioned as targets.


Yeah, I saw you added right after I posted. N/P
Posted by tigerNation09
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Member since Nov 2008
12977 posts
Posted on 6/27/12 at 12:18 pm to
I think dion waiters will end up being a top 3 player in this draft when it's all said and done...hope he drops to 10
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34320 posts
Posted on 6/27/12 at 12:24 pm to
I'm done adding players to the OP. I tried to limit it to players that we've discussed as targets. MKG is just not really an option for us with our slots, for example, so I left him out.
Posted by Brageous
Member since Jul 2008
107724 posts
Posted on 6/27/12 at 12:27 pm to
Anyone else think Zeller isn't a good idea now? I think it'd be crazy to have him and AD playing alongside each other. That is some serious length.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34320 posts
Posted on 6/27/12 at 12:35 pm to
quote:

Anyone else think Zeller isn't a good idea now? I think it'd be crazy to have him and AD playing alongside each other. That is some serious length.


It's hard to say who I'd pick if he and Leonard are both available. Leonard has a little better size, but Zeller produced a bit better. That said, Zeller is 2 years older.
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